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=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 535 || 450 || 260 || ~14 || ~5
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
  
* 1 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, nose-mounted (250 rpg)
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* 1 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon, nose-mounted (250 rpg)
* 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
 
* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
 
* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
  
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The C.205N2 belongs to the select few planes who are good for [[Boom & Zoom|Boom and Zoom]] as well as turnfighting, it is an extremely balanced multi-role aircraft. It should be played neither at low altitude nor at high altitude, but in-between at medium altitude. It has no problem dealing with all other fighters at its BR, due to its ability to retain energy well. It can hold its own against [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109s]], [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190s]] and [[P-51 (Family)|P-51s]]. It can fight well against [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfires]] (with some skill on the pilot's part).
  
 
=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
=== Manual Engine Control ===
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| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not controllable<br>1 gear || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
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* High roll rate
 
* High roll rate
 
* Good firepower
 
* Good firepower
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* Good acceleration, top speed and climb rate
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* Short turn radius
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* Good energy retention in BnZ
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* High structural strength
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* Lots of ammunition
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* Aircraft cooling is very efficient even in hot maps
  
'''Cons'''
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'''Cons:'''
  
* Roll rate is good only below 600 km/h (373 mph)
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* Roll rate deteriorates and control surfaces stiffen beyond 600 km/h (373 mph)
* Can feel slow and clumsy at times
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* Loses its manoeuvrability at low speed
* Very bad control stiffening above 600 km/h (373 mph)
 
* Has the highest battle rating of all the C.205 versions despite having the worst overall performance
 
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The C.205N2 was a further development of the [[C.205 (Family)|C.205V Veltro]], Macchi engineers tried to perfect the C.205V design and they developed the "Orione" variant with 2 different prototypes: the new variants got increased firepower and high-altitude performance. To achieve this, the engineers made the fuselage longer and increased the wingspan of the aircraft and in the second prototype they have adapted the fuselage for a 20 mm cannon within the engine shaft.
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[[File:C.205N2.png|thumb|C.205N2 (MM.500) on the airfield]]
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The first prototype C.205N1 (MM.499) flew on 1 November 1942 by Guido Carestiato to be later sent to Guidonia Experimental Centre for official evaluation in a fighter competition. After it, the Macchi engineers built the second variant: the [[C.205N2]] (MM.500) was flown 19 May 1943 by Lonate Pozzolo, later also flying to Guidonia for military  acceptance testing.
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The first prototype C.205N1 was not accepted because the armament was not compliance with official specifications by the Tender Committee, the Macchi C.205N1 armament was armed with one 20 mm [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannon mounted in the fuselage and firing through the hollow hub of the propeller, and four [[Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT]] machine guns. Meanwhile, the [[C.205N2]] has a pair of wing-mounted 20 mm [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannons instead of the original  [[Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT]] machine guns and a 20 mm [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannon within the engine block.
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However, as the war in the Mediterranean was drawing to a close and resources dwindling, the project failed to influence the outcome of the war as it never left prototype stage.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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{{Youtube-gallery|DwbexTKZA-A|'''The Shooting Range #49''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:02 discusses the C.205.|ih6xhSZlTgQ|'''The Shooting Range #78''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 10:44 discusses the C.205N.|wDxhzDnCnHY|'''The Shooting Range #111''' - ''War Machines'' section at 05:25 discusses the C.205N2.}}
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mc-205_n2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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Image:C.205N2 Destroying an American B-17.png|<small>C.205N2 Destroying an American B-17</small>
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Image:C.205N2 Formation (1).png|<small>C.205N2 in formation</small>
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Image:C.205N2 Formation (2).png|<small>C.205N2 in formation</small>
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{{Youtube-gallery|wDxhzDnCnHY|'''The Shooting Range #111''' - ''War Machines'' section at 05:25 discusses the C.205N2.|ih6xhSZlTgQ|'''The Shooting Range #78''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 10:44 discusses the C.205N.|DwbexTKZA-A|'''The Shooting Range #49''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:02 discusses the C.205.}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4817-vehicle-profile-macchi-c-205n2-orione-rome-s-shooting-star-en [News<nowiki>]</nowiki> Macchi C.205N2 Orione - "Rome's Shooting Star"]
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;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
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* [[G.55 (Family)]]
  
 
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* [[wt:en/news/4817-vehicle-profile-macchi-c-205n2-orione-rome-s-shooting-star-en|[Vehicle Profile] Macchi C.205N2 Orione - "Rome's Shooting Star"]]
 
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/365074-macchi-c205-n2/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
 
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/365074-macchi-c205-n2/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
  
 
{{AirManufacturer Macchi}}
 
{{AirManufacturer Macchi}}
 
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{{Italy fighters}}

Revision as of 21:00, 20 February 2022

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This page is about the Italian fighter C. 205N2. For other versions, see C.205 (Family).
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C. 205N2
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Description

The C. 205N2 is a rank III Italian fighter with a battle rating of 5.0 (AB) and 4.7 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica".

The C.205N, also known as the "Orione" ("Orion"), was a development of the C.205V "Veltro" to bring more firepower and higher altitude into the aircraft's performance.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 6 700 m659 km/h
Turn time20 s
Max altitude10 360 m
EngineDaimler-Benz DB-605A
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight4 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 6,700 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 635 618 10360 21.2 21.9 13.6 13.6 250
Upgraded 685 659 18.9 20.0 20.6 16.7

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
845 300 535 450 260 ~14 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 400 < 270 < 550 > 380

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear300 km/h
  • 8 mm Steel plating behind pilot
  • 50 mm bullet-proof glass

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB1 058 → 1 346 Sl icon.png
RB2 376 → 3 024 Sl icon.png
SB3 532 → 4 496 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications25 200 Rp icon.png
45 900 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 100 Ge icon.png
Crew training22 000 Sl icon.png
Experts76 000 Sl icon.png
Aces500 Ge icon.png
Research Aces320 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
60 / 140 / 300 % Sl icon.png
142 / 142 / 142 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
1 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 100 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
1 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 100 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
1 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
155 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 900 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
1 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
155 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 900 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
safat12_belt_pack
Research:
1 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 100 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
safat12_new_gun
Research:
1 900 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
155 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg15120_belt_pack
Research:
2 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
mg15120_new_gun
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 900 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Ammunition750 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Ammunition800 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min

The C. 205N2 is armed with:

  • 1 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon, nose-mounted (250 rpg)
  • 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
  • 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)

The two of the cannons are each mounted in wing. A single 20 mm cannon is mounted in the nose of the aircraft, firing through the propeller hub. The two machine guns are nose mounted, positioned between the pilot and the engine of the aircraft. If fired continuously, the wing mounted cannons will run out of ammunition before the nose-mounted cannon.

Usage in battles

The C.205N2 belongs to the select few planes who are good for Boom and Zoom as well as turnfighting, it is an extremely balanced multi-role aircraft. It should be played neither at low altitude nor at high altitude, but in-between at medium altitude. It has no problem dealing with all other fighters at its BR, due to its ability to retain energy well. It can hold its own against Bf 109s, Fw 190s and P-51s. It can fight well against Spitfires (with some skill on the pilot's part).

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High roll rate
  • Good firepower
  • Good acceleration, top speed and climb rate
  • Short turn radius
  • Good energy retention in BnZ
  • High structural strength
  • Lots of ammunition
  • Aircraft cooling is very efficient even in hot maps

Cons:

  • Roll rate deteriorates and control surfaces stiffen beyond 600 km/h (373 mph)
  • Loses its manoeuvrability at low speed

History

The C.205N2 was a further development of the C.205V Veltro, Macchi engineers tried to perfect the C.205V design and they developed the "Orione" variant with 2 different prototypes: the new variants got increased firepower and high-altitude performance. To achieve this, the engineers made the fuselage longer and increased the wingspan of the aircraft and in the second prototype they have adapted the fuselage for a 20 mm cannon within the engine shaft.

C.205N2 (MM.500) on the airfield

The first prototype C.205N1 (MM.499) flew on 1 November 1942 by Guido Carestiato to be later sent to Guidonia Experimental Centre for official evaluation in a fighter competition. After it, the Macchi engineers built the second variant: the C.205N2 (MM.500) was flown 19 May 1943 by Lonate Pozzolo, later also flying to Guidonia for military acceptance testing.

The first prototype C.205N1 was not accepted because the armament was not compliance with official specifications by the Tender Committee, the Macchi C.205N1 armament was armed with one 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon mounted in the fuselage and firing through the hollow hub of the propeller, and four 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. Meanwhile, the C.205N2 has a pair of wing-mounted 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons instead of the original 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns and a 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon within the engine block.

However, as the war in the Mediterranean was drawing to a close and resources dwindling, the project failed to influence the outcome of the war as it never left prototype stage.

Media

Skins
Images
Videos

See also

Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

External links


Macchi Aeronautics (Macchi Aeronautica)
Fighters  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
Captured  ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7 · ▀C. 202

Italy fighters
Fiat  CR.32 · CR.32 bis · CR.32 quater · CR.42 · Marcolin's C.R.42 CN
  G.50 serie 2 · G.50 AS serie 7
  G.55 sottoserie 0 · G.55 serie 1 · G.55S · G.56
Reggiane  Re.2000 G.A. · Re.2000 serie 1
  Re.2001 serie 1 · Re.2001 gruppo 22 · Re.2001 CB · Re.2001 CN
  Re.2002 Early
  Re.2005 serie 0
Macchi  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
IMAM  Ro.44
  Foreign:
Germany  ▄Bf 109 G-14/AS
USA  ▄P-47D-30
Britain  ▄Spitfire Mk Vb/trop
Hungary  ◐Bf 109 F-4 · ◐Bf 109 G-2 · ◔Yak-9P
Romania  He 112 B-1/U2 · IAR-81C