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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. In [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]], the C.202 as well as the other Italian planes in the German tree were moved to the new [[C.202|Italian tree]], although it still exists in the German tree for those who unlocked it prior to Update 1.69.
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. In [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]], the C.202 as well as the other Italian planes in the German tree were moved to the new [[C.202|Italian tree]], although it still exists in the German tree for those who unlocked it prior to Update 1.69.
  
The Folgore is an Italian fighter that is best suited to attack other fighters. It's unsuited as a fighter bomber due not being able to carry bombs or rockets.
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The Folgore is an Italian fighter that is best suited to attack other fighters. It's unsuited as a fighter bomber due to its lack of any ordinances ie. bombs or rockets.
  
 
The advantages of the Folgore are the combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and roll rate. Furthermore it's fairly sturdy, it can take a few hits and get back to base without much problems. The Folgore is a fairly speedy turner, preferring to turn at high speeds, however flat out turning is still a bad idea, unless you abuse the rate of roll to get into an advantageous position.
 
The advantages of the Folgore are the combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and roll rate. Furthermore it's fairly sturdy, it can take a few hits and get back to base without much problems. The Folgore is a fairly speedy turner, preferring to turn at high speeds, however flat out turning is still a bad idea, unless you abuse the rate of roll to get into an advantageous position.
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
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* 8 mm Steel - Behind pilot seat
 
* 8 mm Steel - Behind pilot seat
 
* 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Windscreen
 
* 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Windscreen
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
 
* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
 
* 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
 
* 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Good speed
 
* Good speed
 
* Good rate of roll under 600 km/h (370 mph)
 
* Good rate of roll under 600 km/h (370 mph)
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Large turn radius, not as agile as its predecessor
 
* Large turn radius, not as agile as its predecessor
 
* Firepower leaves things to be desired
 
* Firepower leaves things to be desired
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In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi MC.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d’Argento for his skill and courage.
 
In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi MC.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d’Argento for his skill and courage.
  
Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.<ref name="Visconti WT forum Ace of the Month"> An excerpt from [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti], written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.</ref>
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Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.<ref name="Visconti WT forum Ace of the Month">An excerpt from [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti], written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.</ref>
  
 
Visconti remains a controversial figure due to his political alignment with Mussolini's Italian Social Republic.
 
Visconti remains a controversial figure due to his political alignment with Mussolini's Italian Social Republic.
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
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* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
 
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* ''other literature.'' -->
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ [Profile<nowiki>]</nowiki> Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti] from the War Thunder official forum.
 
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ [Profile<nowiki>]</nowiki> Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti] from the War Thunder official forum.
  
 
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This page is about the fighter C. 202 (Germany). For other uses, see C.202 (Family).

Description

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The ▀C. 202 Folgore is a rank I German fighter with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB) and 2.3 (SB). This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. In Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica", the C.202 as well as the other Italian planes in the German tree were moved to the new Italian tree, although it still exists in the German tree for those who unlocked it prior to Update 1.69.

The Folgore is an Italian fighter that is best suited to attack other fighters. It's unsuited as a fighter bomber due to its lack of any ordinances ie. bombs or rockets.

The advantages of the Folgore are the combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and roll rate. Furthermore it's fairly sturdy, it can take a few hits and get back to base without much problems. The Folgore is a fairly speedy turner, preferring to turn at high speeds, however flat out turning is still a bad idea, unless you abuse the rate of roll to get into an advantageous position.

The second major issue the Folgore has, is that the damage output is low. It needs quite extended bursts of fire to deal decent amounts of damage. Furthermore, the Breda SAFAT's damage potential drops off when it's fired at ranges above 300 meters. The poor armament also makes it less then optimal at engaging bombers and heavy fighters. The consensus by the community is that the best belts are anti-air, tracer or stealth for the 12.7 mm's and stealth and omni for the 7.7's. These seem to do the most damage.

While neither of these are crippling, they are something to keep in mind, especially since the Folgore doesn't allow for many mistakes.

General info

Flight Performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 6,000 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
576 560 10200 22.5 23.2 22.5 22.5 368
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 6,000 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
624 600 10200 20.4 21.4 29.5 25.6 368

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h)
Gear limit
(km/h)
Combat flaps
(km/h)
Max Static G
+ -
600 ~15 ~6
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h)
Rudder
(km/h)
Elevators
(km/h)
Radiator
(km/h)
< 400 < 270 < 550 > 350
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
4,500 m 1,084 hp 1,218 hp

Survivability and armour

  • 8 mm Steel - Behind pilot seat
  • 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Windscreen

Armaments

Offensive armament

The C. 202 (Germany) is armed with:

  • 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
  • 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

Usage in battles

Over the deserts of Africa

The most important things the Folgore needs are Speed and Altitude. It's generally a good idea to climb to at least 5000 - 6000 meters before levelling out and gaining speed. From there on, it's Boom and Zoom, working your way from top to bottom. Priority should be given to P-39 Airacobras, F6F Hellcats and the early Spitfire, as these are hard to beat if they are allowed to engage on their terms. The Hellcat is a considerable problem for the Folgore, due to the fact its considerably faster and climbs only slightly worse. The best way of dealing with them is to fight them at speeds above 400 km/h (250 mph), where the Hellcat begins to stiffen up, but you retain your very good roll rate, which you can use to spoil his gun solution by constantly changing direction.

While diving on your chosen target, be mindful of your speed, the Folgore's rate of roll becomes considerably worse when you hit 600 km/h (370 mph), so it's a good idea to cut throttle at the final part of your dive, slowing your acceleration down by a bit. Also, when trying to lead an enemy plane that is making a hard break turn, try to avoid making high G turns or turns that burn a lot of speed, this mostly happens when you dive in at a shallow angle, as it will inevitably force you to engage in a dogfight, where the turn rate offers an advantage to the enemy. While it is doable, it's generally better to run, by going into a shallow dive. Alternatively, engage in a shallow climb, the rate of climb is one of the best at its tier, meaning that if you have a small speed advantage you can get some separation and climb away.

The guns make it unsuited to effectively engage bombers, especially well defended bombers such as the B-25 and the A-20. It's better to team up with your teammates than to try to attack them on your own. Further it's best to aim for the engines and wings, basically engaging them the same way as you would engage fighters.

Furthermore, the Folgore cannot carry any bombs, so it's less effective in a ground attack role.

For belts use tracers, anti-air or stealth as they deal the most damage, with a good mix of incendiary and shrapnel. Breda-SAFAT's shell velocity is low, hence they suffer at ranges greater than 300 meters, so only fire at or below that range for best effects. Furthermore, the armament is woefully inadequate to deal with bombers. It is best to avoid them entirely, or focus on taking out the engines. The only exceptions are the very early biplane bombers, such as the Swordfish, Po-2 and the likes.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Radiator Offensive 7 mm
II Compressor Airframe New 7 mm MGs
III Wings repair Engine Offensive 12 mm
IV Engine injection Cover New 12 mm MGs

The Folgore's focus on energy fighting should be reflected in the desired grind strategy. Compressor & Engine are the top priority, boosting the acceleration and climb to the maximum needed for most situations. The next upgrades are free to choose for you. New belts are always nice, but the default ones are decent.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good speed
  • Good rate of roll under 600 km/h (370 mph)
  • The best climb rate in its rank
  • Decent performance on all altitudes, especially for a 1st rank plane
  • Decent cockpit visibility, especially to the rear
  • Decent energy retention in horizontal turns

Cons:

  • Large turn radius, not as agile as its predecessor
  • Firepower leaves things to be desired
  • Thick canopy framing can make spotting hard from cockpit view
  • Armament is weak. Will struggle to kill bombers and heavy fighters with structural damage alone

History

Folgore in an olive grove

The famed Italian ace Maggiore Adriano Visconti flew the Folgore, including the predecessor Macchi C.200 Saetta and the successor Macchi C.205 Veltro.

In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi MC.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d’Argento for his skill and courage.

Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.[1]

Visconti remains a controversial figure due to his political alignment with Mussolini's Italian Social Republic.

In-game description

"The Macchi M.C.202 was an Italian all-metal fighter interceptor, initially armed with nothing but twin synchronised 12.7mm (.50-cal) machine guns in the engine housing. The woefully ineffective armament for a fighter that plagued many other Italian fighters was finally remedied on the M.C.202 Serie VI (variants of the aircraft were designated with Roman numerals, I through XI), when two additional 7.7mm machine guns were added to the wings.

The Folgore (Lightning), as the new fighter was called, was aerodynamically clean and well-balanced. Its sturdy construction used modern flush riveting on all surfaces, and special care was taken in design and production to streamline all joints. The engine cover had a clean aerodynamic profile, which formed a smooth line from the propeller hub, through the canopy, and back into the empennage."

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

References

  1. An excerpt from Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti, written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


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