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All light tanks are dangerous as they can easily outflank you if they get too close, shoot them down before it happens. Also, do not engage medium and heavy tanks from the front as it is only a waste of efforts.
 
All light tanks are dangerous as they can easily outflank you if they get too close, shoot them down before it happens. Also, do not engage medium and heavy tanks from the front as it is only a waste of efforts.
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It is not advised to position the B1 in an overly-opened location where the B1 can get shot from multiple directions (more than 2) or from directions that are too wide apart (more than ~45° from the hull's longitudinal axis). This is because that although the B1 is heavily armoured, it is still most effective at dealing with threats from one direction only, just like every other tank, so the player can concentrate on said direction and not worry about getting flanked. Hence, memorise some spots where you only need to face enemies from one generall direction, and that the spot overwatches a popular passageway of the opponents, for example the long narrow street at the right side of [[Berlin (Ground Forces)|Berlin]]. At your battle position, decide whether to push or not depending on the battle's BR, the higher it is the more high-penetrating tanks you will face. While you charge towards the enemy defence, engage the 'battle' cruise mode (press 'E' once) to put the B1 at a speed just enough for the 47mm gun's vertical stabiliser to work. This way you can comfortably aim and shoot while the enemy has to target your moving tank. It also creates great pressure for the opponents, seeing an invincible chunk of metallic fortress slowly but surely moving close. Some will definitely panic.
  
 
'''Enemies worth noting:'''
 
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* M3 / M5 Stuart: as previously mentioned, light tanks can be a dangerous threat to the clumsy B1. The Stuarts have good acceleration, great top speed regardless of the terrain, and fast hull traverse, allowing them to sneak up or charge at a B1 without getting hit. When they are close, their 37 mm cannons can easily penetrate your hull cannon mount, turret sides and driving compartment, and their fast reload can knock out your crews one by one. But with the additional side armour of the B1 ter, Stuarts might struggle to penetrate your hull sides. To counter them, angle your hull for about 45 degrees, this way their small caliber shells tend to ricochet and will have a hard time to penetrate you. If they circle you, turn your hull and reverse at the same time to avoid them flanking, and if possible gain some separation. Target their hull, as their frontal turret is mostly covered by a curved gun mantlet which can cause non-penetrations.
 
* M3 / M5 Stuart: as previously mentioned, light tanks can be a dangerous threat to the clumsy B1. The Stuarts have good acceleration, great top speed regardless of the terrain, and fast hull traverse, allowing them to sneak up or charge at a B1 without getting hit. When they are close, their 37 mm cannons can easily penetrate your hull cannon mount, turret sides and driving compartment, and their fast reload can knock out your crews one by one. But with the additional side armour of the B1 ter, Stuarts might struggle to penetrate your hull sides. To counter them, angle your hull for about 45 degrees, this way their small caliber shells tend to ricochet and will have a hard time to penetrate you. If they circle you, turn your hull and reverse at the same time to avoid them flanking, and if possible gain some separation. Target their hull, as their frontal turret is mostly covered by a curved gun mantlet which can cause non-penetrations.
 
* German tanks above its BR: their guns are usually more than enough to pierce the 70 mm front armour and if they do, most of the crew will be knocked out, likely resulting in an OHK.
 
* German tanks above its BR: their guns are usually more than enough to pierce the 70 mm front armour and if they do, most of the crew will be knocked out, likely resulting in an OHK.
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* [[M4A3 (105)]], [[Ho-Ro]], [[Spj fm/43-44]], etc: these vehicles all carry large caliber howitzers which can critically damage if not straight up knock out the B1 ter with a frontal hit, even if the B1's armour is thick. If you see one, wait until they fire first or if they are distracted then poke out and shoot. For the 105mm M4, the only effective way to destroy one is to get to its hull side and fire a salvo or two from both your guns. Its frontal hull armour or even the turret side can resist all of your rounds.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===

Revision as of 09:06, 8 April 2021

This page is about the premium heavy tank B1 ter. For the standard version, see B1 bis.
B1 ter
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Description

The Char de bataille B1 ter (Battle tank B1 "tertiaire") is a premium rank II French heavy tank with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance" as a pack vehicle and eventually discontinued from the store, but was later reintroduced for War Thunder's 7th anniversary as a premium purchasable in-game for 1,300 Golden Eagles Ge icon.png and through the Warbonds mechanic.

With the best armour at its BR, this tank is a beast in engagements since it is hard to penetrate at a distance. While not having the best armament, it should do the job taking care of these dangerous early SPGs and light tanks. The "ter" suffix to its name is a Latin abbreviation which means "third", referring to the series, just as the suffix "bis" identified the previous second B1 production series. Its most noticeable features from its predecessor (B1 bis) are an increased horizontal traverse for the hull gun, thicker armour and an extra crew member.

This tank's mobility won't allow you to position fast enough. Taking time is the only way to get where you want safely. Since this tank is pretty long and narrow, do not engage in cramped spaces since you will not be allowed to manoeuvre as you wish. You reverse speed won't allow you to retreat if things get bad around you, stay behind the front-lines, making good use of your armour.

In order to effectively use this tank's armour, there is a few things to consider. First of all, there is some shot traps,most noticeably the turret ring and the hull gun mount. In order to minimize your enemies' chance to hit these weak spots, stay away from them. Second, even if your armour is very strong for the BR, do not completely rely on it by sitting around in an open field: you will eventually get hit where it hurts. The third thing to consider is your small and thick turret: hide that big clumsy hull behind a hill and pop out only your hard "head", take a shot, fall back, reload, repeat. If something goes wrong (i.e. getting shot in the turret ring), there is usually enough men left to take the job left by their knocked out crew. Do not bother getting spotted: it is your job to stay in the enemies' sights while your lighter teammates do what they ought to. In some situations, it can even be used as a breakthrough tank, rely on your own experience to guess when it is time to do so.

With the same gun as most other rank 2 French tanks, the B1 ter will never be recognized for having a fearsome armament: penetration rates are even lower than most reserve tanks while reload time is twice as long (a known feature of early French tanks). The turreted armament is only good at firing light targets such as SPGs and light tanks. Elevation and depression angles are amazing but turret sewing rate is a bit slow: this tank has been designed to be hull-down. As for the hull-mounted gun, it should only be used as a close range defence device, as it has poor penetration rates and high drop. Exposing your hull-mounted gun for long range engagements does not only makes you vulnerable, it is also mostly ineffective.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull70 / 70 / 55
Turret56 / 56 / 56
Crew5 people
Visibility112 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, side skirts, turret ring)
  • Cast homogeneous armour (turret, 75 mm gun mantlet, 47 mm gun mantlet, mudguards)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 70 mm (18-42°) Front glacis
70+70 mm (spherical) Gun mantlet
70 mm (49°) Lower glacis
55 mm (1-18°) + 55 mm (0-43°) Top - Mudguards
55 mm + 50 mm (23-28°) Bottom - Front
70 mm (21-27°) Bottom - Centre
55 mm Bottom - Rear
20 mm Bottom - Tracks
25 mm (65°) Top
55 mm (1°) Centre
55 mm (46°) Bottom
25 mm
8 mm Engine vents
22+25 mm Tracks cover
Turret 56 mm (0-46°) Turret front
56 mm (1-85°) Gun mantlet
56 mm (0-49°) Machine gun cover
56 mm (5-19°) 56 mm (18-19°)
38.1 mm (18°) Turret hatch
30 mm
Cupola 48 mm (cylindrical) 30 mm (spherical)

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick.
  • Lower turret ring armour 40 mm thick, while upper turret ring armour is 25 + 40 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 20 mm thick.

The B1 ter has argubally the best armour at its BR. Being an up-armoured model of the previous B1 bis, the ter model features thicker hull armour, especially on the side. Now the hull will be completely immune to the PzGr.40 belt of Pz.II light tanks which is a common opponent. There are also improvements such as a smaller turret ring, refined frontal hull, a large mudguard, etc. While angling the hull at ~40°, the B1 ter can be extremely hard to destroy for vehicles at the same BR and can even resist uptier tanks like the Pz.IV F2. Due to the extremely heavy frontal armour, one should try to use mobility to flank the B1 ter. However, if that isn't possible, you'll want to try and hit the turret ring. It may be a tricky shot, but there's only ~40 mm of armour there. When flanking, it is preferable to go for the right side of the tank as is is filled with ammo and fuel.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB33 / 5 km/h
RB and SB31 / 4 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight36.6 t
Engine power
AB668 hp
RB and SB350 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB18.3 hp/t
RB and SB9.6 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 33 5 36.6 452 668 12.35 18.25
Realistic 31 4 310 350 8.47 9.56
The B1 ter's mobility is below average, which is to be expected given its heavy armour. On flat/hard surface, the B1 has a rather slow acceleration and needs some time to pick up speed. Its average on-road speed is ~20km/h which is just enough to keep up with equally slow tanks and will not allow the B1 to get to any position quickly. Its hull traverse speed is acceptable and it has neutral steering which is helpful when the B1 tries to angle the hull. On sloped surface or bad roads the acceleration will be more sluggish and top speed slower, further limiting the B1's mobility. The reverse speed is also extremely bad and will not allow you to back up fast enough. Lastly, the dated suspension leaves very little room for the road wheels to bounce up and down while the B1 is driving over rough surfaces, leading to the whole tank rocking around which can slow it down a bit.

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB929 Sl icon.png
RB418 Sl icon.png
SB1 990 Sl icon.png
Crew training2 300 Sl icon.png
Experts15 000 Sl icon.png
Aces115 Ge icon.png
Research Aces320 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 40 / 40 / 70 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 112 / 112 / 112 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Mods tank reinforcement fr.png
Crew Replenishment
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism

Armaments

Main armament

Shoulder stabilizer
Reduces the swing of the gun in one plane while moving
Ammunition60 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
5.2 → 4.0 s
Vertical guidance-15° / 18°
Main article: SA35 L/32 (47 mm)

The primary weapon of the B1 ter is the 47 mm cannon inside the turret. Although small in caliber, it can still be very effective in medium/close-range engagements. Its penetration of ~60 mm allows the B1 to easily penetrate common foes such as Pz.IV C and T-50. The post-penetration effect, just like every other solid shot, is not destructive and requires the player to target for crew compartments. At longer distances, however, the 47mm gun will start to struggle. The shell drop makes targeting quite challenging, and the drastically decreased penetration means that one might not even penetrate the hull side of a Pz.IV. This cannon is also slightly limited by the turret's slow traverse speed.

The 47mm cannon has a vertical stabiliser which can significantly increase its ability to target & fire on the move, making it harder for the opponents to aim carefully. The cannon also has an amazing -18° gun depression which is more than enough for any type of terrain.

47 mm SA35 L/32 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 60 ±18° ±180° Shoulder 8.1 11.2 13.6 15.0 16.0 5.20 4.60 4.24 4.00
Realistic 6.0 7.0 8.5 9.4 10.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1935 APC 62 59 47 36 27 20
Mle1935 HE HE 4 4 4 4 4 4
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1935 APC 660 1.62 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Mle1935 HE HE 590 1.41 0.0 0.1 143 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the B1 ter
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
60 49 (+11) 37 (+23) (+53) (+55) (+57) (+59) No

Note:

  • As they are modeled by sets of 2 to 4, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.

Additional armament

Ammunition90 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
11.1 → 8.6 s
Vertical guidance-4° / 9°
Horizontal guidance-7° / 5°
Main article: SA35 L/17 (75 mm)

Compared to the bis model, the 75 mm cannon inside the hull of the B1 ter sacrifices gun depression for more horizontal traverse angle. Though this change is useful in flat battlefields, the B1 ter will now struggle to use it in a hilly environment. The improved horizontal traverse, however, is still inadequate and may usually result in the 75 mm gun not being used, since the B1 has to angle a lot. This hull-mounted gun should only be used as a close range defence device, as it has poor penetration rates and high drop. Exposing your hull-mounted gun for long range engagements not only makes you vulnerable, it is also mostly ineffective. But if it hits and penetrates, it will usually kill.

75 mm SA35 L/17 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 90 -4°/+9° -7°/+5° N/A 3.2 4.5 5.4 6.0 6.4 14.9 13.1 12.1 11.4
Realistic 2.4 2.8 3.4 3.8 4.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1910M APHE 64 62 55 47 41 35
Mle1915 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1910M APHE 500 6.40 1.2 14.0 90 47° 60° 65°
Mle1915 HE 500 5.55 0 0.1 740 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
7th
rack empty
8th
rack empty
90 84 (+6) 80 (+10) 77 (+13) 75 (+15) 71 (+19) 68 (+22) 53 (+37) 38 (+52)
9th
rack empty
10th
rack empty
11th
rack empty
12th
rack empty
13th
rack empty
14th
rack empty
15th
rack empty
16th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
36 (+54) 34 (+56) 32 (+58) 27 (+63) 21 (+69) 19 (+71) (+82) (+89) No
Ammo racks of the B1 ter

Notes:

  • As they are modeled by sets of 2 to 4, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.
  • Packing 38 (+52) shells keeps the forward crew compartment empty of 75 mm shells.

Machine guns

Ammunition4 050 rounds
Belt capacity150 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
6.5 → 5.0 s
Fire rate551 shots/min
Main article: MAC 31 (7.5 mm)
7.5 mm MAC 31
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 4,000 (150) 1,350 N/A N/A

The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

Usage in battles

The Char B1, upon playing it for the first time will be slow in both acceleration, max speed and turret rotation speed. The Hull gun is usable, while not being very suitable for this tank's main role. The best way to play the B1 ter is to hold down a position, preferably hull down (as its turret is thick and small, it will ricochet most shots it will take). Playing the B1 ter rightly, there is only 3 ways to get outplayed:

  • Being outflanked by a light tank
  • The enemy has been lucky enough to get a shot through a shot trap
  • Meeting a dangerous gun (see Specific enemies worth noting)

All light tanks are dangerous as they can easily outflank you if they get too close, shoot them down before it happens. Also, do not engage medium and heavy tanks from the front as it is only a waste of efforts.

It is not advised to position the B1 in an overly-opened location where the B1 can get shot from multiple directions (more than 2) or from directions that are too wide apart (more than ~45° from the hull's longitudinal axis). This is because that although the B1 is heavily armoured, it is still most effective at dealing with threats from one direction only, just like every other tank, so the player can concentrate on said direction and not worry about getting flanked. Hence, memorise some spots where you only need to face enemies from one generall direction, and that the spot overwatches a popular passageway of the opponents, for example the long narrow street at the right side of Berlin. At your battle position, decide whether to push or not depending on the battle's BR, the higher it is the more high-penetrating tanks you will face. While you charge towards the enemy defence, engage the 'battle' cruise mode (press 'E' once) to put the B1 at a speed just enough for the 47mm gun's vertical stabiliser to work. This way you can comfortably aim and shoot while the enemy has to target your moving tank. It also creates great pressure for the opponents, seeing an invincible chunk of metallic fortress slowly but surely moving close. Some will definitely panic.

Enemies worth noting:

  • M3 / M5 Stuart: as previously mentioned, light tanks can be a dangerous threat to the clumsy B1. The Stuarts have good acceleration, great top speed regardless of the terrain, and fast hull traverse, allowing them to sneak up or charge at a B1 without getting hit. When they are close, their 37 mm cannons can easily penetrate your hull cannon mount, turret sides and driving compartment, and their fast reload can knock out your crews one by one. But with the additional side armour of the B1 ter, Stuarts might struggle to penetrate your hull sides. To counter them, angle your hull for about 45 degrees, this way their small caliber shells tend to ricochet and will have a hard time to penetrate you. If they circle you, turn your hull and reverse at the same time to avoid them flanking, and if possible gain some separation. Target their hull, as their frontal turret is mostly covered by a curved gun mantlet which can cause non-penetrations.
  • German tanks above its BR: their guns are usually more than enough to pierce the 70 mm front armour and if they do, most of the crew will be knocked out, likely resulting in an OHK.
  • M4A3 (105), Ho-Ro, Spj fm/43-44, etc: these vehicles all carry large caliber howitzers which can critically damage if not straight up knock out the B1 ter with a frontal hit, even if the B1's armour is thick. If you see one, wait until they fire first or if they are distracted then poke out and shoot. For the 105mm M4, the only effective way to destroy one is to get to its hull side and fire a salvo or two from both your guns. Its frontal hull armour or even the turret side can resist all of your rounds.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Overall good armour
    • Very heavy frontal armour for its rank.
    • Strong turret from the front
    • Good at side-scraping (thick sides)
    • Nearly impenetrable hull when angled
    • Increased armour values all around from its predecessor (70 mm instead of 60 mm)
    • Extra crew member (now 5 instead of 4)
    • Smaller turret ring than its predecessor
    • Sides are no longer completely flat
    • Top part of tracks is now shielded
  • Decent firepower
    • One of the best in-game depression (-18°, turret gun)
    • Has 2 main armaments
    • A rare feature on French tanks: it has APHE ammunition.
    • MAC 31 coaxial MG
    • Turret gun has LOCK, which makes stop-and-shoot tactics effective.
    • Hull gun has better horizontal traverse than its bis version.
    • Carries more ammo than the bis

Cons:

  • Armour has minor weak spots:
    • Has a tall and "thin" cupola
    • Large turret ring is weak (25-40 mm poorly sloped)
    • Fuel tank behind the grille lights up very often when penetrated.
    • 8 mm grille above ammo and loader makes it vulnerable to aircraft HMG fire.
  • Crew is cramped
  • Has a very noticeable and thick antenna sticking upwards.
  • Literally has an hallway full of ammo in the back
  • Guns feel lacking
    • Lacking penetration from both of its guns
    • Poor traverse on 75 mm gun (12° total)
    • The hull gun has reduced depression compared to the B1 bis version (-4°)
    • Slow reload on both guns
    • Only stock ammo choices
    • APHE shell won't detonate when shooting at light targets (25 mm or less armour)
    • Hull gun is hard to master (not beginner-friendly)
  • Mobility is sub par
    • Not very mobile due to weight.
    • Slow hull turning rate
    • Reverse speed is low (-3 km/h)
    • Turret sewing rate is slower than its predecessor
    • 4 tons heavier than its predecessor while sharing its engine.

History

The Char B1 was one of the most produced and widely used indigenous French tank designs employed during the Invasion of France in 1940. The Char B1 came in three modifications, with the ter modification marking the third and final one. Each modification brought with it several changes that would improve the design's overall performance, from the installation of more powerful engines, over enhanced armour protection and anti-tank capabilities to increased ammunition count. Although the Char B1's development began as early as the mid 1920s, the B1ter version was conceived around the same time the Char B1 bis entered serial production, in 1937.

Compared to the B1 bis, the ter modification featured thicker frontal armour protection, going up to 75 mm. Apart of the extra armour, the B1ter was also equipped with a more powerful 350 hp engine as well as a different transmission and received space for an additional crew member too. These changes increased the weight of the vehicle up to 36.6 tonnes, but also made the planned production process a lot easier, faster and most importantly, cheaper. The first prototype of the Char B1ter was constructed and shown off to French military officials in 1937, with testing and production approval following in May 1940. However, at that point, it was a case of too little too late for the Char B1ter. Three further prototypes were constructed before France capitulated in June 1940, with efforts to evacuate the prototypes from France ultimately failing, as the ship transporting the vehicles was sunk by a German air raid on 21 June 1940.

-From Devblog

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See also

Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
Vehicles equipped with the same 47 mm gun
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links


France heavy tanks
B1  B1 bis · B1 ter
2C  2C · 2C bis
ARL-44  ARL-44 (ACL-1)
AMX-50  Somua SM · AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
USA  ▄M4A3E2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50