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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
The '''AMX-50 Foch''' is a Rank V French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 7.3.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]] along with the initial French ground tree.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpfull for survival in combat?''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
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The AMX-50 Foch is able to withstand every single round it faces in combat except HEATFS and 105mm APCR sub-calibre shots frontally. It is often confused with the [[CA Lorraine]] and vice-versa due to its similarities in profile, size and frontal plate. For the same reason, people may think you are fragile yet you are one of the toughest armour to crack at the battle rating. It should be noted that only the front is the strong section of the tank. Roof, rear and sides are the most vulnerable places of the tank, even for 20 mm autocannons.
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Regarding crew compartment, despite being not too tight but not huge either, it has a high survivability specially for the number of crew members and the huge breech of the 120 mm cannon (they will most likely destroy your breech with a side shot but it will stop most of the spalling). The ammunition is located at the rear of the crew compartment (in front of engine deck) an at the hull sides. This makes the Foch one of the easiest tanks to ammo rack at the battle rating. The tank has a crew amount of 5 crewmen: driver, gunner, commander and two loaders, one of them is the machine gunner
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Hull || 180mm (55°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 100 mm (60°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 180-300 (0-72°) + 180 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 40 mm (15°) ''Top'' <br> 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm ''Top'' <br> 40 mm (40°) ''Bottom'' || 30 mm ''Fighting compartment'' <br> 20 mm ''Engine deck'' <br> 90 mm ''Gun mantlet''
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|-
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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| Cupola || 200 mm ''Front'' <br> 30 mm ''Everywhere else'' || 30 mm
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 20 mm thick.
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* Road wheels are interleaved and provide cumulative protection for the lower side hull.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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The AMX-50 Foch is not as fast as compared with other turretless tank destroyers as the [[JPz 4-5]] but not as slow as the [[Jagdtiger]]. Despite being huge, it is absurdly fast and agile for a tank its size due to being mounted on an AMX-50 chassis but with stronger armour than the Jagdtiger. As the rest of the French tanks, it has excellent neutral steering but the reverse speed is horrible. It is compensated with a tremendous horsepower and armour as well as a potent main gun. It should not be played as fast as the JPz 4-5 as well as risky but it should not be fully played as bastion defence.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibilty of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
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{{main|SA46 (120 mm)}}
  
=== Additional armament ===
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The AMX-50 Foch can be considered as a hybrid between the [[CA Lorraine]] and the [[AMX-50 Surbaisse]]: it shares the height of the Lorraine but mobility and the firepower of the AMX-50 Surbaisse. The gun has a use and ballistic similar to the Surbaisse (both share the same ammunition).
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 48 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.5 || rowspan="2" | 19.37 || rowspan="2" | 17.14 || rowspan="2" | 15.79 || rowspan="2" | 14.90
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! ''Realistic''
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| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
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|-
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|}
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==== Ammunition ====
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''APBC:'' This is the first and only anti-tank ammunition the AMX-50 Foch. Despite having a "low" penetration (compared to other rounds seen at the battle rating) it should not be underestimated. It has the penetration to deal with all heavy tanks frontally (with exception of Maus and E-100) as well as enough spalling to destroy lightly armoured vehicles. This round is a 90% confirmed one shot kill due to its tremendous mass.
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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| 120 mm Obus de rupture || APBC || 301 || 298 || 286 || 272 || 258 || 245
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| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="10" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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| 120 mm Obus de rupture || APBC || 1,067 || 23.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
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| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 22.84 || 0 || 0.1 || 4,650 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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! Full<br>ammo
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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| '''48''' || 43&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 31&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 5&nbsp;''(+43)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+47)'' || Yes
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Right side empty: 19&nbsp;(+29)
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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== Usage in the battles ==
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The MG151 can be considered as one of the most reliable HMG (Heavy Machine Gun) in game due to multiple factors: ammunition capacity, muzzle velocity and penetration, stopping power and rate of fire. It is a Jack-of-all-trades when it comes to ground battles, it has a faster muzzle velocity than 20 mm cannons but has more destructive power than the 14.5 mm (Russian HMG caliber) machine gun but it overheats really fast. The MG151 is almost exclusive to this specific tank and is able of doing multiple things:
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* Immediate ground defence: this machine gun is able to damage and destroyed external components of all tanks (tracks, gun barrels, etc), destroy lightly armoured vehicles (with armour thinner than 45 mm), obstruction removal (fences, walls, etc) and spotting.
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* Immediate air defence: due to being roof mounted inside a cupola with a 360° rotation and a 20° elevation, it is able to critically damage low-flying aircraft. This belts have AP-I round which can cause fatal damage on all low flying aircraft (it often lights them on fire or damages their engine).
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! colspan="5" | [[MG 151 (15 mm)|15 mm MG 151]]
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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| Cupola turret || 500 (500) || 700 || -3°/+20° || -35°/+160°
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== Usage in battles ==
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The AMX-50 Foch does well in concealment, and so the first thing to do upon spawning onto the battlefield is to find a place where the {{PAGENAME}} can hide while having a good arc of fire against incoming enemies. Do this to minimise the weak points of the vehicle, such as the weak side armour and the long reload time. If the enemy sees only the front armour, it should be fine given the thick, sloped armour available, but do take note on the type of enemy encountered.
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If a Leopard I tank or anything else with HEAT shells notice the {{PAGENAME}}'s position, immediately move as these vehicles can very easily penetrate the {{PAGENAME}}'s frontal armour. However, encountering tanks with only standard AP shells like a Tiger II should suffice as they would have a harder time penetrating through the front of the {{PAGENAME}}.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
* Very powerful 120mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus at some points.
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* Very powerful 120 mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus in some areas
* Reasonably fast.
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* Reasonably fast
* Has an MG-151 for a coaxial weapon.
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* Has a 15 mm MG 151 on the top in its own turret
* Great armor on the front slope plate (upper glacis).
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* Great armour on the front slope plate (upper glacis)
* Immense spalling from the AP shells; head-on insta-kills are very likely.
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* Immense spalling from the APBC shells; head-on one-shots are very likely
* Good mobility.
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* Good mobility
 
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* Rangefinder logs range very quickly
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
* No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked.
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* No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked
* Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse.
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* Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse
* Limited ammo choices.
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* Limited ammo choices
* AP shells will have a hard time killing some opponents from the side.
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* The Main gun has a very narrow firing arc
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* AP shells will have a hard time destroying some opponents from the side
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* Very thin side armour
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* Rangefinder and gun mantlet are weak spots - allowing APHE to destroy the Foch you with a well-placed shot
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* MG 151 jams quickly, turns slowly and has a very limited firing arc and elevation
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* Very low levels of zoom
  
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== History ==
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== History ==
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During the early 1950s, DEFA worked to produce the third version of the AMX-50 heavy tank which featured a 120 mm self-propelled gun, however, during upgrades weight became a factor severely hampering the speed of the vehicle. 1955 saw a team of seventy German engineers brought in to help solve the problem maintaining the 120 mm cannon plus have the necessary armour and maintain a 65 kph speed. Due to the delays and problems encountered during construction, only five prototypes were constructed and only one was finished which became known as the Canon Automoteur AMX-50 Foch, named after the supreme allied commander during World War I, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, general and military theorist. The main purpose of the AMX-50 "120 mm" was to provide long-range support for the medium AMX-50 "100 mm" tanks. An ambitious task of designing a version with a 155 mm cannon was started, however, this never made it past the drawing stage.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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;Videos
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
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{{Youtube-gallery|b6qqrQqgUZw|'''The Shooting Range #99''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:38 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|B2woWvJK4ew|'''Top 7 most armoured vehicles'''  discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 3:12  - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 6:08 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
  
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== See also ==
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
  
''ETC.''
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== Sources ==
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* [[wt:en/news/5292-vehicle-amx-50-foch-racing-tortoise-en|[Vehicle] AMX-50 Foch: Racing Tortoise]]
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* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#AMX_50_%22120_mm%22|[Wikipedia] AMX 50 "120 mm"]]
  
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Revision as of 20:39, 22 February 2021

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This page is about the tank destroyer AMX-50 Foch. For other uses, see AMX-50 (Family).
AMX-50 Foch
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AMX-50 Foch
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Description

The Canon automoteur AMX-50 Foch is a rank V French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 7.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance" along with the initial French ground tree.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull180 / 40 / 40
Turret180 / 40 / 40
Crew4 people
Visibility81 %

The AMX-50 Foch is able to withstand every single round it faces in combat except HEATFS and 105mm APCR sub-calibre shots frontally. It is often confused with the CA Lorraine and vice-versa due to its similarities in profile, size and frontal plate. For the same reason, people may think you are fragile yet you are one of the toughest armour to crack at the battle rating. It should be noted that only the front is the strong section of the tank. Roof, rear and sides are the most vulnerable places of the tank, even for 20 mm autocannons.

Regarding crew compartment, despite being not too tight but not huge either, it has a high survivability specially for the number of crew members and the huge breech of the 120 mm cannon (they will most likely destroy your breech with a side shot but it will stop most of the spalling). The ammunition is located at the rear of the crew compartment (in front of engine deck) an at the hull sides. This makes the Foch one of the easiest tanks to ammo rack at the battle rating. The tank has a crew amount of 5 crewmen: driver, gunner, commander and two loaders, one of them is the machine gunner

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 180mm (55°) Front glacis
100 mm (60°) Lower glacis
180-300 (0-72°) + 180 mm Gun mantlet
40 mm (15°) Top
40 mm Bottom
40 mm Top
40 mm (40°) Bottom
30 mm Fighting compartment
20 mm Engine deck
90 mm Gun mantlet
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 200 mm Front
30 mm Everywhere else
30 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are both 20 mm thick.
  • Road wheels are interleaved and provide cumulative protection for the lower side hull.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB55 / 7 km/h
RB and SB50 / 6 km/h
Number of gears6 forward
1 back
Weight58.0 t
Engine power
AB1 908 hp
RB and SB1 000 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB32.9 hp/t
RB and SB17.2 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 55 7 58 1,420 1908 24.48 32.9
Realistic 50 6 884 1000 15.24 17.24

The AMX-50 Foch is not as fast as compared with other turretless tank destroyers as the JPz 4-5 but not as slow as the Jagdtiger. Despite being huge, it is absurdly fast and agile for a tank its size due to being mounted on an AMX-50 chassis but with stronger armour than the Jagdtiger. As the rest of the French tanks, it has excellent neutral steering but the reverse speed is horrible. It is compensated with a tremendous horsepower and armour as well as a potent main gun. It should not be played as fast as the JPz 4-5 as well as risky but it should not be fully played as bastion defence.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB5 490 → 6 928 Sl icon.png
RB5 650 → 7 130 Sl icon.png
SB8 700 → 10 979 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications124 100 Rp icon.png
194 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 200 Ge icon.png
Crew training110 000 Sl icon.png
Experts390 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 300 Ge icon.png
Research Aces780 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
130 / 150 / 180 % Sl icon.png
202 / 202 / 202 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
8 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
21 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
21 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Parts
Research:
5 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
FPE
Research:
4 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods tank reinforcement fr.png
Crew Replenishment
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Research:
8 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
13 000 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
7 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
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Rangefinder
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
21 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

120 mm SA46 cannon
Ammunition48 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
19.4 → 14.9 s
Vertical guidance-6° / 16°
Horizontal guidance-9° / 9°
Main article: SA46 (120 mm)

The AMX-50 Foch can be considered as a hybrid between the CA Lorraine and the AMX-50 Surbaisse: it shares the height of the Lorraine but mobility and the firepower of the AMX-50 Surbaisse. The gun has a use and ballistic similar to the Surbaisse (both share the same ammunition).

120 mm SA46 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 48 -6°/+16° ±9° N/A 5.3 7.3 8.9 9.8 10.5 19.37 17.14 15.79 14.90
Realistic 3.6 4.2 5.1 5.6 6.0

Ammunition

APBC: This is the first and only anti-tank ammunition the AMX-50 Foch. Despite having a "low" penetration (compared to other rounds seen at the battle rating) it should not be underestimated. It has the penetration to deal with all heavy tanks frontally (with exception of Maus and E-100) as well as enough spalling to destroy lightly armoured vehicles. This round is a 90% confirmed one shot kill due to its tremendous mass.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
120 mm Obus de rupture APBC 301 298 286 272 258 245
120 mm Obus explosif HE 39 39 39 39 39 39
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
120 mm Obus de rupture APBC 1,067 23.1 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
120 mm Obus explosif HE 762 22.84 0 0.1 4,650 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the AMX-50 Foch
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
48 43 (+5) 31 (+17) 19 (+29) (+43) (+47) Yes

Right side empty: 19 (+29)

Machine guns

15 mm MG151/15 machine gun
Ammunition500 rounds
Belt capacity500 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
13.0 → 10.0 s
Fire rate700 shots/min
Vertical guidance-3° / 20°
Horizontal guidance-35° / 160°
Main article: MG 151 (15 mm)

The MG151 can be considered as one of the most reliable HMG (Heavy Machine Gun) in game due to multiple factors: ammunition capacity, muzzle velocity and penetration, stopping power and rate of fire. It is a Jack-of-all-trades when it comes to ground battles, it has a faster muzzle velocity than 20 mm cannons but has more destructive power than the 14.5 mm (Russian HMG caliber) machine gun but it overheats really fast. The MG151 is almost exclusive to this specific tank and is able of doing multiple things:

  • Immediate ground defence: this machine gun is able to damage and destroyed external components of all tanks (tracks, gun barrels, etc), destroy lightly armoured vehicles (with armour thinner than 45 mm), obstruction removal (fences, walls, etc) and spotting.
  • Immediate air defence: due to being roof mounted inside a cupola with a 360° rotation and a 20° elevation, it is able to critically damage low-flying aircraft. This belts have AP-I round which can cause fatal damage on all low flying aircraft (it often lights them on fire or damages their engine).
15 mm MG 151
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Cupola turret 500 (500) 700 -3°/+20° -35°/+160°

Usage in battles

The AMX-50 Foch does well in concealment, and so the first thing to do upon spawning onto the battlefield is to find a place where the AMX-50 Foch can hide while having a good arc of fire against incoming enemies. Do this to minimise the weak points of the vehicle, such as the weak side armour and the long reload time. If the enemy sees only the front armour, it should be fine given the thick, sloped armour available, but do take note on the type of enemy encountered.

If a Leopard I tank or anything else with HEAT shells notice the AMX-50 Foch's position, immediately move as these vehicles can very easily penetrate the AMX-50 Foch's frontal armour. However, encountering tanks with only standard AP shells like a Tiger II should suffice as they would have a harder time penetrating through the front of the AMX-50 Foch.

Being patient is key to the success of the AMX-50 Foch. Going out and hunting enemies, especially in close-range fights, is not beneficial to a long-term survival strategy in the AMX-50 Foch, especially with the weak side armour.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Very powerful 120 mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus in some areas
  • Reasonably fast
  • Has a 15 mm MG 151 on the top in its own turret
  • Great armour on the front slope plate (upper glacis)
  • Immense spalling from the APBC shells; head-on one-shots are very likely
  • Good mobility
  • Rangefinder logs range very quickly

Cons:

  • No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked
  • Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse
  • Limited ammo choices
  • The Main gun has a very narrow firing arc
  • AP shells will have a hard time destroying some opponents from the side
  • Very thin side armour
  • Rangefinder and gun mantlet are weak spots - allowing APHE to destroy the Foch you with a well-placed shot
  • MG 151 jams quickly, turns slowly and has a very limited firing arc and elevation
  • Very low levels of zoom

History

During the early 1950s, DEFA worked to produce the third version of the AMX-50 heavy tank which featured a 120 mm self-propelled gun, however, during upgrades weight became a factor severely hampering the speed of the vehicle. 1955 saw a team of seventy German engineers brought in to help solve the problem maintaining the 120 mm cannon plus have the necessary armour and maintain a 65 kph speed. Due to the delays and problems encountered during construction, only five prototypes were constructed and only one was finished which became known as the Canon Automoteur AMX-50 Foch, named after the supreme allied commander during World War I, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, general and military theorist. The main purpose of the AMX-50 "120 mm" was to provide long-range support for the medium AMX-50 "100 mm" tanks. An ambitious task of designing a version with a 155 mm cannon was started, however, this never made it past the drawing stage.

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