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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
''In the description, the first part needs to be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert the screenshot of the vehicle. If the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, they will immediately understand what kind of vehicle it is talking about.''
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpfull for survival in combat?''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''-->
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 180mm (55°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 100 mm (60°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 180-300 (0-72°) + 180 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 40 mm (15°) ''Top'' <br> 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm ''Top'' <br> 40 mm (40°) ''Bottom'' || 30 mm ''Fighting compartment'' <br> 20 mm ''Engine deck'' <br> 90 mm ''Gun mantlet''
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|-
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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|-
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| Cupola || 200 mm ''Front'' <br> 30 mm ''Everywhere else'' || 30 mm
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|-
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 20 mm thick.
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* Road wheels are interleaved and provide cumulative protection for the lower side hull.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and maneuverability as well as the maximum speed forward and backward.''
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
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|-
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! Weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armor<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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|-
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| rowspan="2" | 58.0 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 54 (AB)
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|-
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|50 (RB/SB)
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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|-
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|1,420
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|___
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|884
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|___
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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|-
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|24.48
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|__.__
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|15.24
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|__.__
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|-
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|}
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|SA46 (120 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="6" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]]
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|-
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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|-
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| colspan="3" | 48 || -6°/+16° || ±9° || N/A
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|-
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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|-
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| ''Arcade'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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| ''Realistic'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| 19.4 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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|}
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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|-
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! 10m
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! 100m
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! 500m
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! 1000m
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! 1500m
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! 2000m
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 301 || 298 || 286 || 272 ||258||245
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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|-
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! 0%
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! 50%
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! 100%
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 1,067 || 23 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ° || 48° || 63° || 71°
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 23 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 4,650 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|-
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|}
  
== Weaponry ==
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===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
=== Main weaponry ===
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[[File:Ammoracks_AMX-50_Foch.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the AMX-50 Foch.]]
''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibilty of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br /> rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br /> rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br /> rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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|-
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|| '''48''' || 43&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 31&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 5&nbsp;''(+43)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+47)'' || style="text-align:left" | yes
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|-
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|}
  
=== Additional weaponry ===
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Right side empty: 19&nbsp;(+29)
''Some tanks are armed with several guns in one or more turrets. Evaluate the additional weaponry and give advice on its use. Describe the ammunition available for additional weaponry. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage. If there is no additional weaponry remove this subsection.''
 
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft, but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''
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{{main|MG 151/15 (15 mm)}}
  
== Usage in the battles ==
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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|-
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/15 (15 mm)|15 mm MG151/15]]
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|-
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! colspan="7" | ''Loader's cupola mount''
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|-
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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|-
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| colspan="4" | 500 (500) || 700 || -3°/+20° || -35°/+160°
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|-
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|}
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== Usage in battles ==
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''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Do not use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".''
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
*
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* Very powerful 120 mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus at some points
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* Reasonably fast
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* Has an MG-151 on the top in its own turret
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* Great armour on the front slope plate (upper glacis)
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* Immense spalling from the AP shells; head-on one-shots are very likely
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* Good mobility
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* Rangefinder logs range very quickly
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
*
 
  
== Historical part ==
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* No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/historical reference" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/Name-vehicles/historical reference) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to include links to sources at the end of the article.''
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* Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse
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* Limited ammo choices
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* The Main gun has a very narrow firing arc
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* AP shells will have a hard time destroying some opponents from the side
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* Very thin side armour
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* Rangefinder and gun mantlet are weak spots - allowing APHE to destroy the Foch you with a well-placed shot
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* MG-151 jams quickly, turns slowly and has a very limited firing arc and elevation
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* Very low levels of zoom
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== History ==
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During the early 1950s, DEFA worked to produce the third version of the AMX 50 heavy tank which featured a 120 mm self-propelled gun, however, during upgrades weight became a factor severely hampering the speed of the vehicle. 1955 saw a team of seventy German engineers brought in to help solve the problem maintaining the 120 mm cannon plus have the necessary armour and maintain a 65 kph speed. Due to the delays and problems encountered during construction, only five prototypes were constructed and only one was finished which became known as the Canon Automoteur AMX 50 Foch, named after the supreme allied commander during World War I, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, general and military theorist. The main purpose of the AMX 50 "120 mm" was to provide long-range support for the medium AMX 50 "100 mm" tanks. An ambitious task of designing a version with a 155 mm cannon was started, however, this never made it past the drawing stage.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_amx_50_foch '''Skins''' and '''camouflages''' for the AMX-50 Foch from live.warthunder.com.]
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== See also ==
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
  
== Read also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
 
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
''ETC.''
 
  
== Sources ==
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== External links ==
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
* ''other literature.''
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* ''other literature.''-->
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5292-vehicle-amx-50-foch-racing-tortoise-en [Vehicles<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 Foch: Racing Tortoise]
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* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#AMX_50_%22120_mm%22|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX 50 "120 mm"]]
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{{France tank destroyers}}

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AMX-50 Foch
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This page is about the tank destroyer AMX-50 Foch. For other uses, see AMX-50 (Family).

Description

GarageImage AMX-50 Foch.jpg


The Canon automoteur AMX-50 Foch is a Rank V French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 7.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced during Update 1.75 "La Résistance".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 180mm (55°) Front glacis
100 mm (60°) Lower glacis
180-300 (0-72°) + 180 mm Gun mantlet
40 mm (15°) Top
40 mm Bottom
40 mm Top
40 mm (40°) Bottom
30 mm Fighting compartment
20 mm Engine deck
90 mm Gun mantlet
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 200 mm Front
30 mm Everywhere else
30 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are both 20 mm thick.
  • Road wheels are interleaved and provide cumulative protection for the lower side hull.

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armor
weight (tons)
Max speed (km/h)
58.0 N/A 54 (AB)
50 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 1,420 ___
Realistic/Simulator 884 ___
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 24.48 __.__
Realistic/Simulator 15.24 __.__

Main armament

Main article: SA46 (120 mm)
120 mm SA46
Capacity Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Stabilizer
48 -6°/+16° ±9° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
19.4 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
120 mm Obus de rupture AP 301 298 286 272 258 245
120 mm Obus explosif HE 39 39 39 39 39 39
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
in m/s
Projectile
Mass in kg
Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
Normalization At 30°
from horizontal:
Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
120 mm Obus de rupture AP 1,067 23 N/A N/A N/A ° 48° 63° 71°
120 mm Obus explosif HE 762 23 0.1 0.1 4,650 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the AMX-50 Foch.
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
48 43 (+5) 31 (+17) 19 (+29) (+43) (+47) yes

Right side empty: 19 (+29)

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/15 (15 mm)
15 mm MG151/15
Loader's cupola mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute)
Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
500 (500) 700 -3°/+20° -35°/+160°

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Very powerful 120 mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus at some points
  • Reasonably fast
  • Has an MG-151 on the top in its own turret
  • Great armour on the front slope plate (upper glacis)
  • Immense spalling from the AP shells; head-on one-shots are very likely
  • Good mobility
  • Rangefinder logs range very quickly

Cons:

  • No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked
  • Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse
  • Limited ammo choices
  • The Main gun has a very narrow firing arc
  • AP shells will have a hard time destroying some opponents from the side
  • Very thin side armour
  • Rangefinder and gun mantlet are weak spots - allowing APHE to destroy the Foch you with a well-placed shot
  • MG-151 jams quickly, turns slowly and has a very limited firing arc and elevation
  • Very low levels of zoom

History

During the early 1950s, DEFA worked to produce the third version of the AMX 50 heavy tank which featured a 120 mm self-propelled gun, however, during upgrades weight became a factor severely hampering the speed of the vehicle. 1955 saw a team of seventy German engineers brought in to help solve the problem maintaining the 120 mm cannon plus have the necessary armour and maintain a 65 kph speed. Due to the delays and problems encountered during construction, only five prototypes were constructed and only one was finished which became known as the Canon Automoteur AMX 50 Foch, named after the supreme allied commander during World War I, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, general and military theorist. The main purpose of the AMX 50 "120 mm" was to provide long-range support for the medium AMX 50 "100 mm" tanks. An ambitious task of designing a version with a 155 mm cannon was started, however, this never made it past the drawing stage.

Media

Skins and camouflages for the AMX-50 Foch from live.warthunder.com.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2