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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the AMX-30 main battle tank, resulting in a decently armored hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. The turret is more modestly armored, with all-around 20mm armor, enough to deflect machine guns.  
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The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the AMX-30 main battle tank, resulting in a decently armored hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. However, the hull sides and rear are fairly weak, coming in at only 25-30 mm thick.  
  
In addition, the turret armor is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20mm or 23mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you. Compare this to its contemporaries like the [[ZSU-23-4]] or [[Gepard]], which can only withstand machine gun fire.
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The turret is more modestly armored, with 20 to 30 mm of armor. This is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20mm or 23mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you.
  
Crew Placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the '''front''' of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.
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Crew Placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the '''front''' of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.It is not advised to take less ammunition, as the 30mm cannons have a high fire rate.  
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top speed of 60 km/h, along with an excellent set of reverse gears. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.
 
As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top speed of 60 km/h, along with an excellent set of reverse gears. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.
  
However, the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.
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However, note that the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.
  
 
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* Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the [[Chieftain Marksman]]
 
* Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the [[Chieftain Marksman]]
 
* Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
 
* Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
* More turret armor than other SPAAGs
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* Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets than the [[Gepard]]-style SPAAs
* Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets
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* Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the [[Falcon]] and [[M163]]
* Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the [[Falcon]]
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''

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This page is about the French self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle AMX-30 DCA. For other uses, see AMX-30 (Family).

Description

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The AMX-30 DCA is a rank V French self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle with a battle rating of 8.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance".

General info

Survivability and armour

The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the AMX-30 main battle tank, resulting in a decently armored hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. However, the hull sides and rear are fairly weak, coming in at only 25-30 mm thick.

The turret is more modestly armored, with 20 to 30 mm of armor. This is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20mm or 23mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you.

Crew Placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the front of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.It is not advised to take less ammunition, as the 30mm cannons have a high fire rate.

Mobility

As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top speed of 60 km/h, along with an excellent set of reverse gears. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.

However, note that the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 71 26 36 994 1336 27.61 37.11
Realistic 65 24 619 700 17.19 19.44

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: HSS 831A (30 mm)

The armament consists of 2x30mm HSS 831A cannons with 300 RPG with a quick, fixed fire rate and can make use of 3 types of munitions :

  • High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying, note that the self-destruction range coincides with the radar's lead indicator maximum distance, making the shell inadequate at longer ranges)
  • Armour-piercing incendiary tracer, which can be used against lightly armoured vehicles and enemy SPAAs, though the damage to enemy aircraft is reduced, the shell can be used outside radar range since it does not self destruct.
  • High-velocity armour-piercing tracer (APDS), which can be used against targets mentioned above and additionally, can be used to attack the side profile of enemy MBTs with reasonable effectiveness.
30 mm HSS 831A (x2) Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 1,200 (300) 600 -5°/+85° ±180° N/A 70.4 97.5 __.__ __.__ __.__ 65.0 _.__ _.__ 50.0
Realistic 47.6 56.0 __.__ __.__ __.__

Ammunition

  • Default: AP-I · HEI-T
  • 30x170 HE-I-T: HEI-T · HEI · HEI · AP-I
  • 30x170 APHE-I: AP-I · AP-I · AP-I · HEI-T
  • 30x170 APDS-T: APDS · AP-I · AP-I · HEI-T
Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Default 53 50 39 29 21 16
30x170 HE-I-T 53 50 39 29 21 16
30x170 APHE-I 53 50 39 29 21 16
30x170 APDS-T 110 101 95 69 52 41

Ammo racks

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
2 __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __

Radars

Main articles: DR-VC-1A, Albis

The AMX-30 DCA is equipped with a DR-VC-1A search radar and an Albis tracking radar. The radar is located at the rear of the turret and cannot be folded. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret.

DR-VC-1A - Target Detection Radar
Maximum
Detection
Range
Minimum
Detection
Range
Max Azimuth
Scan Angle
Max Elevation
Scan Angle
Minimum
relative speed
15,000 m 1,000 m 360°  ??? 15 m/s (54 km/h)
Albis - Target Tracking Radar
Maximum
Tracking
Range
Minimum
Tracking
Range
Azimuth Tracking
Angle
Elevation Tracking
Angle
Minimum
target speed
15,000 m 75 m ±100° -20°/+85° 15 m/s (54 km/h)
  • Note: lead indicator shows up within 4km

Usage in battles

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Anti-Tank The AMX-30 DCA should be played as a support vehicle. With only 53mms of penetration stock, it is unable to kill anything but IFVs and other SPAA. However, the 30mm API and HEI rounds are incredibly potent at destroying tracks and damaging barrels, enabling you to assist teammates in killing tanks.

If facing enemy tanks alone, make sure that they are isolated before attempting to disable them.

Ideally, the enemy should be unaware of you and be flat-on (i.e perpendicular). From there, check to see if your belt has enough penetration to overcome his side armor. If it does, aim to take out his gun first (shoot directly below the turret), then his crew (driver's compartment, any survivors in the turret).

  • Note that most Soviet MBTS like the T-55 or T-62 have 80mm of side armor, meaning that they should be avoided when stock
  • Other notable opponents include the M60 and Chieftain series of tanks, as they too have enough side armor to protect against the stock belt.

Anti-Air Ideally, you should be in a place with horizontal cover against tanks and a wide field of view. Use the radar to spot incoming enemy aircraft. Lock onto the target within 4-5 kilometers in order to keep track of it, making sure to not fire.

For larger 2-4 engined aircraft, firing at 3km may be effective. However, more agile single-engined fighters will be easily able to dodge incoming fire, meaning that you should wait until they close to 2km before firing.

Fire in short bursts of 10-50 rounds each to avoid overheating and ammunition shortage. Moving the aim point around during the burst may help to disperse shots and increase hit probability, as even a single 30mm HEI shell is deadly to most aircraft.

Keep in mind that the Tracking radar does not work well at low altitudes, and periodically stop tracking a target in order to scan for more incoming planes.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive 30x170 HE-I-T
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire 30x170 APHE-I
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism Smoke grenade
IV Transmission Engine ESS Artillery Support Laser rangefinder 30x170 APDS-T

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Fast rate of fire, generally 50-100 RPM higher compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
  • The placement of the three crew members makes taking out the whole crew next to impossible with one shot
  • Hull front of AMX-30 can sometimes block or deflect APHE
  • Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the Chieftain Marksman
  • Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
  • Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets than the Gepard-style SPAAs
  • Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the Falcon and M163

Cons:

  • Can only take out light and sometimes medium tanks due to the small size of its guns
  • Lightly armoured turret, with ammunition being very vulnerable to direct attacks
  • Gun placement makes firing over ridges and hiding behind cover awkward
  • Slow acceleration and lack of neutral steering hinders responsiveness

History

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France anti-aircraft vehicles
P.7.T AA · CCKW 353 AA · AMX-13 DCA 40 · AMX-30 DCA · Roland 1