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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
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The '''Seafire LF Mk.III''' was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.IIIs after the war and they saw combat above Indochina, mostly providing close air support and raiding enemy camps from the sky with ground ordnance.
  
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The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina.
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It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. Compared to the regular version of the Spitfire, the Seafire has a mediocre climb rate, being slower at accelerating and also having a poor top speed. The engine is the main issue, since it also overheats regularly when using WEP. The 20 mm cannons are prone to jamming and overheating, and it is recommended to quickly research the modifications for the Mk.II 1943 cannons. However, being a Spitfire, the Seafire is still a very capable dogfighter, and it can outperform many aircraft like the P-51s and Bf 109s in similar conditions; however, avoid prolonged fights at all costs, since the Seafire has very poor energy retention.
  
 
== General info ==
 
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The Seafire has an abysmal climb rate, it is also quite slow for a plane at its BR. Side climbing is advised. The turn time is slightly worse than the [[Spitfire LF Mk IX]] but still good enough to outturn most of your foes. The engine overheats rather quickly when using WEP, so avoid prolonged use.
  
 
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The Seafire compared to its opponents and even allies have abysmall climb rate, it is also quite slow for a plane at its BR. Turn time is slightly worse than [[Spitfire LF Mk IX|Spitfire Mk. IX LF]] but still good enough to out turn most of your foes. Side climbing is advised.
 
  
 
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The 20 mm cannon belts should be the first upgrade to be researched due to the very poor stock belt. After that, research the first cannon upgrade module to reduce spread and overheating. Unlock then flight performance upgrades: radiator first due to the rather fast overheating of the engine when using WEP. After that, it is up to the pilot to decide if they would rather profit from better weaponry or flight performance.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
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* 2 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
 
* 2 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
 
* 4 x 7.7 mm Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (350 rpg = 1,400 total)
 
* 4 x 7.7 mm Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (350 rpg = 1,400 total)
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The wing-mounted machine guns are very hard to use at distances over 300 m due to their placement in wing. Cannons does not have such issue as they are closer to the wing roots.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing teammates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Still retaining great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turnfighting where they bleed their energy and become vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to the very fragile radiator and engine: even a single bullet will take it out.
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* Bf 109
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* Fw 190
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* A6M series
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* P-47 Thunderbolt
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* Yak-3/9
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* La-7
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* Ki-84
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All the enemies in the list above can outclimb you, and also outrun you with the exception of the A6Ms. However, all those foes (except the A6Ms) can be outturned by the Seafire in an horizontal engagement.
  
 
=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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* The engine doesn't overheat any faster than the engines of the other Spitfires
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
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* Poor mid and high altitude performance
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* Weak armament
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* Outperformed by most other fighters at its tier
  
 
== History ==
 
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== Media ==
 
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== See also ==
 
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Latest revision as of 21:33, 6 November 2024

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This page is about the fighter Seafire LF Mk.III (France). For the British version, see Seafire LF Mk.III. For other versions, see Spitfire (Family).
▄Seafire LF Mk.III
seafire_mk3_france.png
GarageImage Seafire LF Mk.III (France).jpg
▄Seafire LF Mk.III
France flag.png France
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.0 5.0 5.0
Class:
Research:46 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:155 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a Spitfire Mk. Vc with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.IIIs after the war and they saw combat above Indochina, mostly providing close air support and raiding enemy camps from the sky with ground ordnance.

It was introduced in Update "Winged Lions". Compared to the regular version of the Spitfire, the Seafire has a mediocre climb rate, being slower at accelerating and also having a poor top speed. The engine is the main issue, since it also overheats regularly when using WEP. The 20 mm cannons are prone to jamming and overheating, and it is recommended to quickly research the modifications for the Mk.II 1943 cannons. However, being a Spitfire, the Seafire is still a very capable dogfighter, and it can outperform many aircraft like the P-51s and Bf 109s in similar conditions; however, avoid prolonged fights at all costs, since the Seafire has very poor energy retention.

General info

Flight performance

Arrestor gear
Accelerates braking by grabbing the brake cable on the deck of the aircraft carrier
Max speed
at 3 963 m592 km/h
Turn time16 s
Max altitude10 500 m
EngineRolls-Royce Merlin-55M
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight3 t

The Seafire has an abysmal climb rate, it is also quite slow for a plane at its BR. Side climbing is advised. The turn time is slightly worse than the Spitfire LF Mk IX but still good enough to outturn most of your foes. The engine overheats rather quickly when using WEP, so avoid prolonged use.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 3,963 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 561 541 10500 17.2 17.8 14.6 14.6 340
Upgraded 627 592 15.7 16.2 26.9 19.5

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X ✓ X ✓
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
760 270 N/A N/A 230 ~10 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 321 < 400 < 350 > 500

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural760 km/h
Gear270 km/h
Armour plates
  • 7 mm steel plate behind the 4 mm steel pilot seat
  • 6 mm steel headrest
  • 38 mm front armoured glass
  • 3 mm steel plate protecting liquid cooling system
  • 3 mm steel boxes protecting magazines in wings
Modules
  • Vital components located at front of the aircraft (engine, fuel tank, pilot, radiator)
  • One self-sealing fuel tank, one non self-sealing located above each other in front of the cockpit

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 034 → 2 631 Sl icon.png
RB4 794 → 6 203 Sl icon.png
SB6 713 → 8 686 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications40 600 Rp icon.png
78 500 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training45 000 Sl icon.png
Experts155 000 Sl icon.png
Aces820 Ge icon.png
Research Aces440 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
80 / 200 / 400 % Sl icon.png
160 / 160 / 160 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
2 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 400 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
2 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 400 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
bmg303_belt_pack
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods ammo.png
hispano_belt_pack
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
bmg303_new_gun
Research:
2 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 400 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
hispano_mk2_new_gun
Research:
2 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
4 400 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods gun camora mod.png
Mk.II year 1942
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods gun camora mod.png
Mk.II year 1943
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
330 Ge icon.png

The 20 mm cannon belts should be the first upgrade to be researched due to the very poor stock belt. After that, research the first cannon upgrade module to reduce spread and overheating. Unlock then flight performance upgrades: radiator first due to the rather fast overheating of the engine when using WEP. After that, it is up to the pilot to decide if they would rather profit from better weaponry or flight performance.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannon
Ammunition240 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min
Weapon 24 x 7.7 mm Browning machine gun
Ammunition1 400 rounds
Fire rate1 000 shots/min
Main articles: Hispano Mk.II (20 mm), Browning (7.7 mm)

The Seafire LF Mk.III (France) is armed with:

  • 2 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
  • 4 x 7.7 mm Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (350 rpg = 1,400 total)

The wing-mounted machine guns are very hard to use at distances over 300 m due to their placement in wing. Cannons does not have such issue as they are closer to the wing roots.

Usage in battles

The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing teammates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Still retaining great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turnfighting where they bleed their energy and become vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to the very fragile radiator and engine: even a single bullet will take it out.

Enemies worth noting
  • Bf 109
  • Fw 190
  • A6M series
  • P-47 Thunderbolt
  • Yak-3/9
  • La-7
  • Ki-84

All the enemies in the list above can outclimb you, and also outrun you with the exception of the A6Ms. However, all those foes (except the A6Ms) can be outturned by the Seafire in an horizontal engagement.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • The engine doesn't overheat any faster than the engines of the other Spitfires

Cons:

  • Poor mid and high altitude performance
  • Slower than nearly all opponents
  • Weak armament
  • Outperformed by most other fighters at its tier

History

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Media

Skins

See also

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


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Spitfires 
Merlin engine  Spitfire Mk Ia · Spitfire Mk IIa · Spitfire Mk.IIa Venture I · Spitfire Mk IIb
  Spitfire Mk Vb · Spitfire Mk Vb/trop · Spitfire Mk Vc · Spitfire Mk Vc/trop
  Spitfire F Mk IX · Spitfire F Mk IXc · Spitfire F Mk XVI
  Spitfire LF Mk IX · Plagis' Spitfire LF Mk IXc
Griffon engine  Spitfire F Mk XIVc · Spitfire F Mk XIVe · Prendergast's Spitfire FR Mk XIVe · Spitfire F Mk XVIIIe · Spitfire F Mk 22 · Spitfire F Mk 24
Export  ▄Spitfire Mk Vb/trop · ▃Spitfire LF Mk IXc · ▂Spitfire Mk IXc · Spitfire Mk IXc · Spitfire Mk.IX (CW) · Weizman's Spitfire LF Mk.IXe · ▄Spitfire FR Mk XIVe
Seafires  Seafire LF Mk.III · Seafire F Mk XVII · Seafire FR 47
Export  ▄Seafire LF Mk.III
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Hydroplanes  Walrus Mk.I

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Dewoitine  D.371 · D.371 H.S.9 · D.373 · D.500 · D.501 · Pallier's D.510 · D.520
Morane-Saulnier  M.S.405C1 · M.S.406C1 · M.S.410
Arsenal  V.G.33C-1
Bloch  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Caudron  C.R.714
Sud-Ouest  S.O.8000 Narval
American  H-75A-1 · H-75A-4 · ▄P-39Q-25 · ▄P-40F-5 Lafayette · ▄P-47D-22-RE · ▄P-63C-5 · F-6C-10-NA
  ▄F6F-5 · ▄F6F-5N · F4U-7 · ▄F8F-1B
Other countries  ▄Seafire LF Mk.III · ▄Yak-3 · Challe's ▄Yak-9T · NC.900
Belgium  ▄Gladiator Mk I · ▄Spitfire FR Mk XIVe
Netherlands  ◘Sea Fury FB 51

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