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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The Turm III has a good amount of firepower, courtesy of both its 105 mm cannon and the 30 mm autocannon. This can be taken advantage of in open areas to quickly penetrate the armour of enemies with APDS. Light vehicles can also easily be penetrated by the 30 mm autocannon, making it easy to spray opponents with the 30 mm while the main armament is reloading. Although the 30 mm has limited elevation, it can still be suitable for anti-aircraft purposes and easily defeats helicopters and aircraft that stray within range.
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Due to its weak armour, which is penetrable by most MBTs, it's not necessarily best to use the Turm III to attack head-on. However, it is ahead of most MBTs in terms of mobility, allowing it to rush capture points, get into favourable positions, or quickly retreat into cover when necessary.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Huge first stage ammo rack  
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* First stage ammo rack houses all of the ammo
 
* Has a fast autoloader for the main armament
 
* Has a fast autoloader for the main armament
 
* Has an autocannon for coaxial weapon that can defeat even some MBTs through the side armour
 
* Has an autocannon for coaxial weapon that can defeat even some MBTs through the side armour
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* Extremely good mobility, can easily get up to 66 kilometres per hour in RB
 
 
* Two-axis stabilizer, unlike its equivalent counterpart, the [[Leopard I]]
 
* Two-axis stabilizer, unlike its equivalent counterpart, the [[Leopard I]]
 
* Weak armour can cause some shells to over-penetrate and do almost nothing
 
* Weak armour can cause some shells to over-penetrate and do almost nothing
 
* Familiar Leopard 1 chassis
 
* Familiar Leopard 1 chassis
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* Can use a HESH round which can over pressure most vehicles by hitting them in the roof
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Poor gun elevation, making it difficult to use the 30 mm against aircraft
 
* Poor gun elevation, making it difficult to use the 30 mm against aircraft
  
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Arbeitsgruppe C (Borgward) proposed a design featuring a stabilized autoloading turret for the Europanzer project in 1958. However, they failed to produce two prototypes before the deadline due to the high development risks. Some point later, during the development process of the MBT-70, engineers decided to examine the practicality of triaxial stabilization more closely with a functional model. With a three-axis stabilized turret, you could improve the hit probability by correcting the longitudianl axial tilt of the main gun.In the mid-1960s,  Rheinische Stahlwerke (then Rheinstahl-Hanomag) and AEG (then AEG-Telefunken) developed a functional model. Rheinstahl-Hanomag received the build order; While the electrical turret drives and controls were developed by Telefunken AG.
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== History ==
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Turret III featured a 105mm L7A2, a coaxial 30mm HS 831A automatic cannon and a 7.62mm MG3 on the commander's optics. The primary and secondary weapons were rigidly mounted. So, the secondary does not have a directing system independent of the primary weapon. The lower half of the turret was spherical to allow longitudinal axial tilt. The turret was mounted gimballed in a chassis, decoupled from the rotary movements of the vehicle. The left hemisphere of the turret accommodated the crew compartment of three. The right hemisphere housed the ammunition supply and autoloader. The stern of the turret was a cooling system for the crew fighting compartment. The combat weight of the turret was 17.75 tons.
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Turret III was placed on a chassis that, for logistical reasons, contained the drive and running gear elements of the Leopard 1. The chassis was made of mild steel and widened to 3.51 meters. An auxiliary motor (74 kW) was placed in the chassis to supply the turret drives and stabilization system. Arranged in the middle of the vehicle's bow was the driver's seat. The driver's control panel actuated the accelerator, brake and steering. The transmission shifted automatically. When the crew hatches were closed, the driver would see using the driver's TV set. If necessary, the commander could take over the function of the driver from the turret; They installed a camera on the upper front plate for this purpose. The commander could also operate the central control unit (fire control system) just as equally as the gunner.
 
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There is no available information regarding the results of the tests. However, it's safe to assume that the complex turret drives frequently tended to fail. The placement of the drive elements made them difficult to access. So, for technical and cost reasons, the triaxial stabilizer was never implemented into production. Today, main battle tanks use a gyro to account for the axial tilt.
 
  
 
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== Media ==

Latest revision as of 06:07, 5 November 2024

Rank VI | Premium | Golden Eagles
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Turm III
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GarageImage Turm III.jpg
StoreImage Turm III 002.jpg
Turm III
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Description

The Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm is a premium gift rank V German medium tank with a battle rating of 8.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Wind of Change".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull30 / 20 / 20
Turret30 / 20 / 20
Crew3 people
Visibility95 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 30 mm (60°) Front glacis
30 mm (51°) Lower glacis 		20 mm (26°) Top
10 mm (26°) Engine vents
20 mm Bottom 		20 mm Upper plate
20 mm (10°) Lower plate
20 mm (47°) Lower glacis 		30 mm (30°) Front glacis
10 mm Engine compartment
Turret 30 mm (45°) Turret front
20 mm (spherical) Turret ball 		20 mm (spherical) Turret ball 20 mm (spherical) Turret ball 10 mm
MG cupola 10 mm 10 mm 10 mm 10 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels, tracks, and torsion bars are 20 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB73 / 28 km/h
RB and SB66 / 26 km/h
Number of gears8 forward
4 back
Weight42.5 t
Engine power
AB1 633 hp
RB and SB856 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB38.4 hp/t
RB and SB20.1 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 73 28 42.5 1,327 1,633 31.22 38.42
Realistic 66 26 757 856 17.81 20.14

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB2 901 Sl icon.png
RB3 311 Sl icon.png
SB4 427 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts730 000 Sl icon.png
Aces2 000 Ge icon.png
Research Aces1 780 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 140 / 210 / 250 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 214 / 214 / 214 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Mods tank reinforcement ger.png
Crew Replenishment
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Mods tank ammo.png
105mm_usa_HESH_ammo_pack
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Mods art support.png
Artillery Support
Mods tank ammo.png
105mm_usa_HEAT_FS_ammo_pack

Armaments

Main armament

105 mm L7A3 cannon
Two-plane stabilizer
Reduces the swing of the gun in two planes while moving
Autoloader
Automatically feeds projectiles into the breech. The speed does not depend on the skills of the loader
Ammunition47 rounds
Reload5.0 s
Vertical guidance-12° / 12°
Main article: L7A3 (105 mm)
105 mm L7A3 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Autoloader
Arcade 47 ±12° ±180° Two-plane 22.8 31.6 38.4 42.5 45.2 5.00
Realistic 14.3 16.8 20.4 22.6 24.0

Ammunition

  • DM13; APDS (Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot) will comfortably penetrate the armour of most foes; be aware however that some vehicles such as the IS-4 or M103 are only vulnerable in specific weak spots. APDS rounds do require some finesse with their placement due to their lack of explosive filler. Unless you're confident you can destroy the enemy before they can respond, you should attempt to disable their weaponry first to ensure your own safety. Against targets with known ammunition storage, it's possible to try to detonate it with a well-placed shot. Keep in mind, however, that ammo detonations always occur with a random chance, so taking out crew members is a more reliable method to destroy your enemies. This, of course, requires knowledge about the vehicles you may face - so be sure to use the game's X-Ray view in the hangar and analyse your potential foes for their weak spots! Also, keep in mind that with increased armour thickness, the amount of shrapnel shrinks.
  • DM512; HESH (High-Explosive Squash-Head) works very differently than other shell types. It ignores any angle, except for ricochet and deals damage by metal-flakes which are blown off inside the armour by the exterior explosion. To create this deadly shrapnel inside the tank, make sure to only hit armour plates which are directly adjacent to the interior crew compartment of the tank. Hitting exterior parts of a tank like spaced armour, the suspension, tracks etc. will not harm crew members/modules at all. Unfortunately, HESH is particularly ineffective against particularly high true armour values (as opposed to high 'effective' armour values sourced from highly angled but thin armour - HESH loves angles!). Like all high-explosive shells, the fuse is very sensitive and can be set-off by most objects e.g. fences, trees, shrubbery. The low muzzle velocity of this shell can make it quite hard to hit targets at larger distances, although an experienced tanker may be able to use this to their advantage by lobbing a round over a small defilade or hill. It's also worth noting that HESH can be rather unreliable at times; it's best used as a fall-back ammo, or saved for particularly lightly armoured targets.
  • DM12; HEATFS (High-Explosive Anti Tank Fin-Stabilised): Knowledge of potential opponents vehicle layouts can be very handy - as you now have a round at your disposal that can penetrate essentially any vehicle's armour frontally. Like the APDS shot, increased armour thickness results in a reduced amount of shrapnel after penetration. You are able to take out enemies on any distance since the HEAT round does not lose penetration effectiveness with distance - very handy on big scaled maps like Kursk. There is, however, a significant downside to HEATFS. Given that it is a chemical energy round, its fuse is highly sensitive in regards to its practical application in battle. As a result, virtually anything, such as trees or even a fence, will set it off prematurely, so you cannot fire through obstructions with this kind of round. It's often a good idea to clear bushes and fences with your machine guns quickly before taking a shot. Finally, the HEATFS round is relatively expensive in terms of SL, so keep that in mind when loading up.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
DM13 APDS 350 347 333 317 302 287
DM512 HESH 127 127 127 127 127 127
DM12 HEATFS 400 400 400 400 400 400
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
DM13 APDS 1,478 4 - - - 75° 78° 80°
DM512 HESH 732 11.2 0.1 4 4.31 73° 77° 80°
DM12 HEATFS 1,174 10.5 0.05 0.1 1.27 65° 72° 77°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
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Notes:

  • Shells are modeled individually, and disappear when fired.

Additional armament

30 mm HSS 831L cannon (coaxial)
Ammunition300 rounds
Belt capacity50 rounds
Reload15.0 s
Fire rate651 shots/min
Main article: HSS 831L (30 mm)
30 mm HSS 831L Reloading rate (seconds)
Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Full Expert Aced
300 (50) 600 N/A N/A N/A 15.00 15.00 15.00 15.00

Ammunition

  • Default: SAP-I · HEI-T*

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
SAP-I 53 50 39 29 21 16
HEI-T* 9 8 7 5 4 4
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
SAP-I 1,080 0.36 1.2 9 30.6 47° 56° 65°
HEI-T* 1,080 0.36 0.1 0.1 85 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
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Machine guns

7.62 mm MG3A1 machine gun
Ammunition2 000 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Reload8.0 s
Fire rate1 200 shots/min
Main article: MG3A1 (7.62 mm)
7.62 mm MG3A1
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Pintle 2,000 (200) 1,200 -8°/+25° ±180°

Usage in battles

The Turm III has a good amount of firepower, courtesy of both its 105 mm cannon and the 30 mm autocannon. This can be taken advantage of in open areas to quickly penetrate the armour of enemies with APDS. Light vehicles can also easily be penetrated by the 30 mm autocannon, making it easy to spray opponents with the 30 mm while the main armament is reloading. Although the 30 mm has limited elevation, it can still be suitable for anti-aircraft purposes and easily defeats helicopters and aircraft that stray within range.

Due to its weak armour, which is penetrable by most MBTs, it's not necessarily best to use the Turm III to attack head-on. However, it is ahead of most MBTs in terms of mobility, allowing it to rush capture points, get into favourable positions, or quickly retreat into cover when necessary.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • First stage ammo rack houses all of the ammo
  • Has a fast autoloader for the main armament
  • Has an autocannon for coaxial weapon that can defeat even some MBTs through the side armour
  • Two-axis stabilizer, unlike its equivalent counterpart, the Leopard I
  • Weak armour can cause some shells to over-penetrate and do almost nothing
  • Familiar Leopard 1 chassis
  • Can use a HESH round which can over pressure most vehicles by hitting them in the roof

Cons:

  • Nearly nonexistent armour
  • Ammunition practically fills up the turret ball, making almost any shell that penetrates end up detonating it
  • Machine gun cannot aim directly level to the main gun, making it disorienting when you are reloading the 30 mm autocannon and want to spray a lightly armoured target
  • Poor gun elevation, making it difficult to use the 30 mm against aircraft

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===, also if applicable).

Media

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See also

Related development

External links


Germany medium tanks
Pz.III  Pz.III B · Pz.III E · Pz.III F · Pz.III J · Pz.III J1 · Pz.III J1 TD · Pz.III L · Pz.III M · Pz.III N
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Pz.V  VK 3002 (M) · Panther A · Panther D · Panther F · Panther G · Ersatz M10 · Panther II
M48 upgrades  M48A2 G A2 · M48 Super
Leopard 1  Leopard I · Leopard A1A1 · Leopard A1A1 (L/44) · Leopard 1A5 · C2A1 · Turm III
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Trophies  ▀M4 748 (a) · ▀T 34 747 (r)
Other  Nb.Fz. · KPz-70
USA  mKPz M47 G · M48A2 C
USSR  ◊T-72M1

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