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{{Specs-Card | {{Specs-Card | ||
|code=mb_175t | |code=mb_175t | ||
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}} | }} | ||
== Description == | == Description == | ||
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| − | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' | + | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was an adaptation of the Bloch MB.170 for naval purposes. After WWII, France had to use any aircraft to its disposal to rearm their air force; thus the {{Specs|name}} was created, the most important upgrade being the introduction of a single F5W torpedo, which, paired with the aircraft's long range, made it suitable for maritime patrol. The aircraft was retired in 1950 with the introduction of more modern fighter-bombers like the F6F. |
| − | Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two | + | It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]]. Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two 20 mm [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannons, this plane can be used in a more aggressive role as an attacker, or even a bomber interceptor. The HVAR rockets and the MG 151/20s make it a perfect counter to the much-feared [[BV 238]]. Meanwhile, for naval battles, having access to an F5W torpedo gives you the chance to destroy a single ship with a good launch, however the aircraft's large size makes it easy for enemy AA to target you and shoot you down. |
== General info == | == General info == | ||
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! - | ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! - | ||
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}} | {{Specs-Avia-Armour}} | ||
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| + | * 10 mm steel plate: pilot headset | ||
| + | * Self-sealing fuel tanks: inner & middle wings | ||
=== Modifications and economy === | === Modifications and economy === | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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| + | '''Bomber hunting''' | ||
| + | |||
| + | While technically a bomber and getting a bomber airspawn, it is also apt as a bomber-interceptor. Players can often find themselves able to get to enemy bombers far before friendly interceptors and air defence fighters, such as P-38s, XP-50s, P-61s, or Whirlwinds are able to get to altitude. What a player can do to dispatch of an enemy bomber is up to them; the 20 mm MG 151s can adequately dispatch of enemy bombers, but players can also use the HVARs to great effect against bombers. The velocity of the HVARs is rather low, so a player that is inexperienced might have an issue at longer ranges, getting in close raises the chances of hitting. | ||
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| + | '''High-altitude fighter''' | ||
| + | |||
| + | Once the bomber threats have been neutralized, pilots often find themselves above or at the same height as enemy fighters, but the M.B.175T is no slouch. While the positioning of the offensive 20 mm MG151s is unfortunate, the M.B.175T is blessed with a defensive 20 mm MG 151 which can be used to devastating effect. Pilots should chose to work from the top down, focusing on the fighters that are closest relative to the pilot's height. A tactic that can work is to bait them into stalling for what they might think is an easy shot, then using the M.B.175Ts deceptively good turning ability to pounce on a stalled enemy. | ||
=== Manual Engine Control === | === Manual Engine Control === | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
| − | * Has air brakes | + | * Has air brakes |
| − | * Quite | + | * Quite manoeuvrable for its size |
* 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload | * 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload | ||
| − | * Armed with two 20 mm MG 151 with a large ammo pool for each | + | * Armed with two powerful 20 mm MG 151 with a large ammo pool for each |
* One 20 mm MG 151/20 defensive turret to easily deal with enemies in its shooting range | * One 20 mm MG 151/20 defensive turret to easily deal with enemies in its shooting range | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
| − | * MG 151/20 is mounted in the wings far off the fuselage, requires convergence for accurate hits on enemy | + | * MG 151/20 is mounted in the wings far off the fuselage, requires adjustment of convergence for accurate hits on enemy |
| − | * Turret only good for enemies above the aircraft; large blindside due to plane's | + | * Turret is only good for enemies above the aircraft; large blindside due to plane's twin rudders |
| − | * | + | * Flaps have a rather low speed limit before they tear off |
| + | * Gunner is exposed | ||
| + | * Does not have a ventral gunner, making it vulnerable to attacks from under | ||
| + | * No bombload | ||
== History == | == History == | ||
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| + | Final evolution of the Bloch MB.170 line, the MB.175T is a 1947 adaptation for torpedo bombing purposes. It served with the Aéronavale (French naval aviation) until 1950. <ref>[[wikipedia:Bloch_MB.170#Operational_history|[Wikipedia] Bloch MB.170 - Operational history]]</ref> | ||
== Media == | == Media == | ||
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| + | ;Skins | ||
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| + | * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mb_175t Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | ||
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| + | ;Videos | ||
| + | {{Youtube-gallery|ExA9b4wexHE|'''The Shooting Range #249''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}} | ||
== See also == | == See also == | ||
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== External links == | == External links == | ||
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| − | * | + | * [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/430078-bloch-mb175-t/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance] |
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| − | + | === References === | |
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| − | {{AirManufacturer | + | {{AirManufacturer Dassault}} |
{{France bombers}} | {{France bombers}} | ||
Latest revision as of 13:56, 23 August 2024
Contents
Description
The M.B.175T was an adaptation of the Bloch MB.170 for naval purposes. After WWII, France had to use any aircraft to its disposal to rearm their air force; thus the M.B.175T was created, the most important upgrade being the introduction of a single F5W torpedo, which, paired with the aircraft's long range, made it suitable for maritime patrol. The aircraft was retired in 1950 with the introduction of more modern fighter-bombers like the F6F.
It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea". Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, this plane can be used in a more aggressive role as an attacker, or even a bomber interceptor. The HVAR rockets and the MG 151/20s make it a perfect counter to the much-feared BV 238. Meanwhile, for naval battles, having access to an F5W torpedo gives you the chance to destroy a single ship with a good launch, however the aircraft's large size makes it easy for enemy AA to target you and shoot you down.
General info
Flight performance
Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 3 780 m450 km/h
Turn time26 s
Max altitude8 000 m
EngineGnome Rhone 14N-66
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight9 t
| Characteristics | Max Speed (km/h at 3,780) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
| Stock | 425 | 410 | 8000 | 27.0 | 27.7 | 4.7 | 4.7 | 650 |
| Upgraded | 479 | 450 | 25.2 | 26.0 | 12.4 | 7.9 | ||
Details
| Features | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear |
| ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | X |
| Limits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
| Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
| 680 | 280 | 330 | 317 | 260 | ~11 | ~5 |
| Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
| < 325 | < 200 | < 480 | > 180 |
| Compressor (RB/SB) | ||
|---|---|---|
| Setting 1 | ||
| Optimal altitude | 100% Engine power | WEP Engine power |
| 2,900 m | 970 hp | 1,227 hp |
Survivability and armour
Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural680 km/h
Gear280 km/h
- 10 mm steel plate: pilot headset
- Self-sealing fuel tanks: inner & middle wings
Modifications and economy
Repair costBasic → Reference
AB1 049 → 1 335 
RB1 651 → 2 101
SB2 916 → 3 712
Total cost of modifications13 980 
20 000
Talisman cost860 
Crew training9 200
Experts32 000
Aces320
Research Aces250 000
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
70 / 130 / 220 %
130 / 130 / 130 %
| Flight performance | Survivability | Weaponry | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Offensive armament
The M.B.175T is armed with:
- 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, wing-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)
Suspended armament
The M.B.175T can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
- 12 x HVAR rockets
- 1 x F5W torpedo
Defensive armament
Turret20 mm MG 151 cannon
Ammunition250 rounds
Fire rate750 shots/min
The M.B.175T is defended by:
- 1 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, dorsal turret (250 rpg)
Usage in battles
Bomber hunting
While technically a bomber and getting a bomber airspawn, it is also apt as a bomber-interceptor. Players can often find themselves able to get to enemy bombers far before friendly interceptors and air defence fighters, such as P-38s, XP-50s, P-61s, or Whirlwinds are able to get to altitude. What a player can do to dispatch of an enemy bomber is up to them; the 20 mm MG 151s can adequately dispatch of enemy bombers, but players can also use the HVARs to great effect against bombers. The velocity of the HVARs is rather low, so a player that is inexperienced might have an issue at longer ranges, getting in close raises the chances of hitting.
High-altitude fighter
Once the bomber threats have been neutralized, pilots often find themselves above or at the same height as enemy fighters, but the M.B.175T is no slouch. While the positioning of the offensive 20 mm MG151s is unfortunate, the M.B.175T is blessed with a defensive 20 mm MG 151 which can be used to devastating effect. Pilots should chose to work from the top down, focusing on the fighters that are closest relative to the pilot's height. A tactic that can work is to bait them into stalling for what they might think is an easy shot, then using the M.B.175Ts deceptively good turning ability to pounce on a stalled enemy.
Manual Engine Control
| MEC elements | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mixer | Pitch | Radiator | Supercharger | Turbocharger | ||
| Oil | Water | Type | ||||
| Controllable | Controllable Not auto controlled |
Not controllable Not auto controlled |
Controllable Not auto controlled |
Combined | Not controllable 1 gear |
Not controllable |
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Has air brakes
- Quite manoeuvrable for its size
- 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload
- Armed with two powerful 20 mm MG 151 with a large ammo pool for each
- One 20 mm MG 151/20 defensive turret to easily deal with enemies in its shooting range
Cons:
- MG 151/20 is mounted in the wings far off the fuselage, requires adjustment of convergence for accurate hits on enemy
- Turret is only good for enemies above the aircraft; large blindside due to plane's twin rudders
- Flaps have a rather low speed limit before they tear off
- Gunner is exposed
- Does not have a ventral gunner, making it vulnerable to attacks from under
- No bombload
History
Final evolution of the Bloch MB.170 line, the MB.175T is a 1947 adaptation for torpedo bombing purposes. It served with the Aéronavale (French naval aviation) until 1950. [1]
Media
- Skins
- Videos
The Shooting Range #249 - Metal Beasts section at 00:28 discusses the M.B.175T.
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the aircraft;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
References
| Dassault Aviation | |
|---|---|
| WW2* | |
| Fighters | M.B.152C1 · M.B.157 |
| Bombers | M.B.162 · M.B.174A-3 · M.B.175T |
| Jet Aircraft | |
| M.D 450 | M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.450B Ouragan |
| Mystère | M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA |
| Super Mystère | Super Mystere B2 |
| Étendard | Etendard IVM |
| Super Étendard | Super Etendard |
| Alpha Jet | Alpha Jet E** |
| Mirage | |
| Mirage III | Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan |
| Mirage V | Mirage 5F |
| Mirage F1 | Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT |
| Mirage 2000 | Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000D-R1 · Mirage 2000D-RMV |
| Mirage 4000 | Mirage 4000 |
| Export | |
| M.D 450 | M.D.450B Ouragan |
| Mystere | Mystere IVA |
| Super Mystère | Sambad · Sa'ar*** |
| Mirage | Shahak · ▄Mirage 5BA · ␗Mirage 2000-5Ei |
| *The company was named "Société des Avions Marcel Bloch" before being renamed in 1947 | |
| **Jointly manufactured with Dornier Flugzeugwerke | |
| ***Israeli Super Mystère refitted with new avionics and an American engine | |
| See also | SABCA |
| France bombers | |
|---|---|
| Farman | F.222.2 · N.C.223.3 |
| Latécoère | Late 298D |
| Potez | Potez 633 |
| Liore et Olivier | LeO 451 early · LeO 451 late |
| Bloch | M.B.174A-3 · M.B.162 · M.B.175T |
| American | V-156-F · Martin 167-A3 · ▄A-35B · ▄SB2C-5 · B-26C · ▄PBY-5A Late · ▄PB4Y-2 |
| British | Lancaster MR.7 |
