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=== Survivability and armour === | === Survivability and armour === | ||
{{Specs-Fleet-Armour}} | {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}} | ||
| − | + | As the father of the Pr.56, the armour is lacklustre and will be only able to withstand low calibre fire and small amounts of explosive fragmentation. The bridge, turrets and smoke funnels have 10 mm anti fragmentation armour, meaning they will be prompt to be damaged or even destroyed by 12.7 mm or 20 mm armour piercing rounds. When it comes to components, it is almost impossible to make an ammo explosion in the Pr.41 as the ammunition is below the waterline, meaning only armour piercing rounds fired below the waterline or torpedoes will be able to create an ammo explosion. When it comes to air threats (machine guns strafes, rockets, bombs), the Pr.41 will be able to survive them with some exceptions of bombs. Bombs that land in a 0-40 m radius of the ships can cause fatal damage (it will also depend on the type of bomb, weight, TNT equivalent, etc). | |
=== Mobility === | === Mobility === | ||
{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}} | {{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}} | ||
| − | + | The Pr.41, as a "modern" destroyer of 1955, changes completely the doctrine of previous destroyers, meaning it compenstates armour with speed. It is not able to reach speeds like the Pr. 56 due to being longer and heavier while using the same engines. However, it can reach speeds of ~65km/h, making it terrifyingly fast for a ship of its size and firepower, almost on par with coastal fleet frigates and subchasers ([[Albatros-Klasse (143)]], [[Pr. 35]], etc). It is more than capable of reaching the battlefield faster than other destroyers and will outrun cruisers and battleships. When it comes to manoeuvrability, it leaves nothing to expect. It is able to do tight turns (relatively tight turns but with greater speed than other destroyers) as well as accelerate and decelerate quickly. | |
{{NavalMobility}} | {{NavalMobility}} | ||
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{{main|130 mm/58 SM-2-1 (130 mm)}} | {{main|130 mm/58 SM-2-1 (130 mm)}} | ||
| − | + | The Pr.41 is armed with 4 x 130 mm/58 SM-2-1 semi automatic cannons divided into 2 dual-mount turrets, capable of decimating enemy vessels in seconds, including heavy cruisers. The 130 mm cannons have access to 3 types of shells, HE, SAPCBC and HE-VT. It is recommended that the captain gets access to the SAPCBC as it has the penetration of an APCBC shell but the explosive power of an HE shell. HE-VT are an extra when it comes to air defence. They will decimate any enemy plane with an airbust but they are only recommended to be used when attacking low speed aircraft (like bombers) at long ranges (past 10 km) as the relative low fire rate (15 RPM) and targeting speed will cause issues engaging faster aircraft (fighters or even attackers). It should be noted the 130 mm can be used with the tracking radar the destroyer has. | |
=== Secondary armament === | === Secondary armament === | ||
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{{main|45 mm/89 SM-20-ZIF (45 mm)}} | {{main|45 mm/89 SM-20-ZIF (45 mm)}} | ||
| − | + | The Pr.41 is armed with 16 x 45 mm/89 SM-20-ZIF automatic cannons divided into 4 quad-mounted turrets, capable of shredding anything but cruisers. It should be noted that the turrets displacement is different to the Pr. 56. While the Pr. 56 has the turrets in a cross shape (+, a turret in front of the bridge behind the bow turret, two turrets parallel to the bridge and a final turret behind the bridge ), the Pr. 41 have this turrets parallel (=) to the ship's bridge. This displacement, while being a minor difference, change how the 45mm can be used. The parallel arrange makes the 45mm capable of firing completely in front or behind of the ship without having a dead zone due to 130mm turrets blocking your LoS (line of sight). The 45 mm cannons only have access to HE, meaning they will do little to no damage to heavily armoured targets even at point blank range. The 45 mm are your main line of defence against light and medium armoured vessels as the fast firing rate (0.4 second reload) will cause fatal damage with even just one burst. They are also your main line of defence against any aircraft at any range from 0 to 10 km (AI gunners will not engage targets past ~10 km. It is also the max range of the tracking radar). They will destroy incoming enemy aircraft within seconds. The captain is able to control them manually and use the tracking radar to engage air targets manually. It is recommended to let the AI gunners engage the targets when the threat is closer than 5 km as the captain will be able to focus on more threatening enemies (other vessels or even aircraft). When letting AI gunners engage targets, be aware of which targeting setting is set (airborne and surface, airborne, surface, none) as each turret will only engage one target at a time. | |
=== Additional armament === | === Additional armament === | ||
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{{main|53-39 (533 mm)|RBU-2500}} | {{main|53-39 (533 mm)|RBU-2500}} | ||
| − | + | The Pr.41 is armed with 2 5-tube torpedo launchers. Contrary to the Pr. 56, the Pr. 41 is armed with the 53-39 torpedoes and not 53-56 torpedoes. They have a max range of 4 km (10 km with torpedo mode) and can be used at almost point blank, the torpedo must travel 50 m at minimum to be armed (most of the time "point blank" engagements will be between 100-500 m). Depending on the map, game mode and captain's discretion, torpedo depth can be adjusted in order to achieve multiple tasks. | |
| + | '''''1 meter depth:''''' | ||
| + | |||
| + | This is the most universal depth used for all types of engagements, being in deep water or at shallow waters. This depth is capable of hitting all sorts of vessels, including PT boats. The main downside is that enemy ships can see the water trail made by the torpedo which can make enemy vessels evade or fire at the torpedo. | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''''4 meter depth:''''' | ||
| + | |||
| + | This is the recommended depth when on deep water trying to do long range sneaky engagements to big ships (most of them have bulkheads more than 4 m under the waterline). This is one of the riskier techniques as there is no way to launch them on shallow waters (most shallow water maps have water depth of 2-3 m). Only the captain and the team will be able to see the torpedo symbol while traveling close to them and it will not leave any visible water trail compared to the 1 meter depth torpedo. | ||
| + | |||
| + | The Pr. 41 rounds off the armament with four RBU-2500 anti-submarine rocket launchers, each carrying 12 rockets to total 48. As being rockets they have a limited effective engagement range, high arcs of fire and are very hard to aim in conjunction with primary weapons, however should a small boat decide to get too close or should you decide to engage a target at point-blank range, the barrage of 26 kg warheads smashing into the superstructure and hull of the hostile ship will almost certainly cripple it, if not outright sink it. | ||
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| + | === Radar === | ||
| + | [[File:Radar interface Pr. 35.png|thumb|Pr. 41 radar display. Dark green: within targeting radar angle | ||
| + | |||
| + | Light green: targeting radar dead zone]] | ||
| + | The Pr.41 has access to a Fut-N air/surface search radar and Sfera-56 fire control radar, unique for this vessel. The Fut-N is located on top of the mizzen mast (rear mast). Sfera-56 in front of the main mast is located on top of the bridge (refer to picture). Enemy pilots are often unaware of the presence of the radar as they are uncommon in-game, use surprise to your advantage. Radars can give you a huge advantage with situational awareness as no plane will be able to catch you unsuspected. Be aware of radar interference (mountains, trees, tall structures in general) as they will affect both your search and tracking radar. There are blind spots with the radars which pilots can exploit but most of them will not do so as radars are uncommon in battles. As previously stated, tracking radar can be used to manually engage targets. It is recommended to use tracking radar when engaging immediate threats the gunners are not engaging or low speed flying aircraft at long ranges (bombers). Most of the time, the use of tracking radar will not be necessary as gunners will take care of aircraft while the captain is engaging enemy vessels. | ||
| + | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | ||
| + | ! colspan="4" |Fut-N - Air/surface Search Radar | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Guaranteed<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The range, below which, detection of a target is practically guaranteed}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Max Azimuth<br/>Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Max Elevation<br/>Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}} | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |120,000 m||10,000 m||360°||0°/+75° | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | ! colspan="4" |Sfera-56 - Fire Control Radar | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking<br/>Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}} | ||
| + | !{{Annotation|Elevation Tracking<br/>Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}} | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |10,000 m||100 m||315°||0°/+80° | ||
| + | |} | ||
== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
| − | + | The Pr. 41 is a Cold War destroyer and thus, it should not be used a WW2 destroyer as the armour is lacklustre and RPM is limited compared to some cruisers and destroyers. Thus, the Pr. 41 should be used as a support and anti air ship. The powerful 130 mm are able to decimate destroyers and even cruisers in minutes, specially if the SAP round is used. The high speed and agility make it a decent runner when facing enemy ships and capping points. The torpedo can be formidable if used correctly, not only for the fact they are able to destroy whatever it hits but also because they are hard to aim due to the distances the Pr. 41 has to navigate in order to get into a decent launch distance. The 45 mm should be used as secondary weapons for everything but sinking heavily armoured ships. They are able to decimate light vessels in seconds as well as planes. For this same reason, the Pr. 41 should be used as an anti-air flagship as it is able to detect and engage enemy planes in a range of 130 km. Absolutely no aircraft will surprise the Pr. 41 while the search radar is active. The Pr. 41, when used in Enduring Confrontation events, is the most reliable and "Jack-of-All-Trades" ship seen in-game. Not only because it is able to dominate the skies but also because it is able to decimate enemy convoys within seconds with the firepower and torpedoes, specially if said convoys are unarmed cargo ships. | |
| + | Absolutely '''NO''' battleship should be engaged with the 130 mm as they are mediocre and most of the time useless. However, they can damage and destroy outer modules like turrets, bridge, and smoke funnels, and can start fires. When facing heavily armoured vessels, torpedoes are a '''MUST''' as they will be your only reliable weapon against them. The Pr. 41 should zig-zag when being fired at as a single salvo is more than enough to instantly destroy you. Zig-zagging reduces the chances the enemy has to hit and due to the long reload, the Pr. 41 is able to close distance and fire torpedoes. | ||
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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Revision as of 14:20, 13 May 2021
Contents
Description
The Pr. 41, Neustrashimy, 1960 is a premium gift rank III Soviet destroyer
with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.97 "Viking Fury". Originally a GE 
premium, it was removed from sale due to the fleet research changes in Update "New Power".
General info
Survivability and armour
As the father of the Pr.56, the armour is lacklustre and will be only able to withstand low calibre fire and small amounts of explosive fragmentation. The bridge, turrets and smoke funnels have 10 mm anti fragmentation armour, meaning they will be prompt to be damaged or even destroyed by 12.7 mm or 20 mm armour piercing rounds. When it comes to components, it is almost impossible to make an ammo explosion in the Pr.41 as the ammunition is below the waterline, meaning only armour piercing rounds fired below the waterline or torpedoes will be able to create an ammo explosion. When it comes to air threats (machine guns strafes, rockets, bombs), the Pr.41 will be able to survive them with some exceptions of bombs. Bombs that land in a 0-40 m radius of the ships can cause fatal damage (it will also depend on the type of bomb, weight, TNT equivalent, etc).
Mobility
The Pr.41, as a "modern" destroyer of 1955, changes completely the doctrine of previous destroyers, meaning it compenstates armour with speed. It is not able to reach speeds like the Pr. 56 due to being longer and heavier while using the same engines. However, it can reach speeds of ~65km/h, making it terrifyingly fast for a ship of its size and firepower, almost on par with coastal fleet frigates and subchasers (Albatros-Klasse (143), Pr. 35, etc). It is more than capable of reaching the battlefield faster than other destroyers and will outrun cruisers and battleships. When it comes to manoeuvrability, it leaves nothing to expect. It is able to do tight turns (relatively tight turns but with greater speed than other destroyers) as well as accelerate and decelerate quickly.
| Mobility Characteristics | |||
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| Game Mode | Upgrade Status | Maximum Speed (km/h) | |
| Forward | Reverse | ||
| AB | |||
| Upgraded | 76 | 26 | |
| RB/SB | |||
| Upgraded | 62 | 22 | |
Modifications and economy
2 × 310 / 600 / 50 % 2 × 166 / 166 / 166 % | Seakeeping | Unsinkability | Firepower | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armament
Primary armament
The Pr.41 is armed with 4 x 130 mm/58 SM-2-1 semi automatic cannons divided into 2 dual-mount turrets, capable of decimating enemy vessels in seconds, including heavy cruisers. The 130 mm cannons have access to 3 types of shells, HE, SAPCBC and HE-VT. It is recommended that the captain gets access to the SAPCBC as it has the penetration of an APCBC shell but the explosive power of an HE shell. HE-VT are an extra when it comes to air defence. They will decimate any enemy plane with an airbust but they are only recommended to be used when attacking low speed aircraft (like bombers) at long ranges (past 10 km) as the relative low fire rate (15 RPM) and targeting speed will cause issues engaging faster aircraft (fighters or even attackers). It should be noted the 130 mm can be used with the tracking radar the destroyer has.
Secondary armament
The Pr.41 is armed with 16 x 45 mm/89 SM-20-ZIF automatic cannons divided into 4 quad-mounted turrets, capable of shredding anything but cruisers. It should be noted that the turrets displacement is different to the Pr. 56. While the Pr. 56 has the turrets in a cross shape (+, a turret in front of the bridge behind the bow turret, two turrets parallel to the bridge and a final turret behind the bridge ), the Pr. 41 have this turrets parallel (=) to the ship's bridge. This displacement, while being a minor difference, change how the 45mm can be used. The parallel arrange makes the 45mm capable of firing completely in front or behind of the ship without having a dead zone due to 130mm turrets blocking your LoS (line of sight). The 45 mm cannons only have access to HE, meaning they will do little to no damage to heavily armoured targets even at point blank range. The 45 mm are your main line of defence against light and medium armoured vessels as the fast firing rate (0.4 second reload) will cause fatal damage with even just one burst. They are also your main line of defence against any aircraft at any range from 0 to 10 km (AI gunners will not engage targets past ~10 km. It is also the max range of the tracking radar). They will destroy incoming enemy aircraft within seconds. The captain is able to control them manually and use the tracking radar to engage air targets manually. It is recommended to let the AI gunners engage the targets when the threat is closer than 5 km as the captain will be able to focus on more threatening enemies (other vessels or even aircraft). When letting AI gunners engage targets, be aware of which targeting setting is set (airborne and surface, airborne, surface, none) as each turret will only engage one target at a time.
Additional armament
The Pr.41 is armed with 2 5-tube torpedo launchers. Contrary to the Pr. 56, the Pr. 41 is armed with the 53-39 torpedoes and not 53-56 torpedoes. They have a max range of 4 km (10 km with torpedo mode) and can be used at almost point blank, the torpedo must travel 50 m at minimum to be armed (most of the time "point blank" engagements will be between 100-500 m). Depending on the map, game mode and captain's discretion, torpedo depth can be adjusted in order to achieve multiple tasks.
1 meter depth:
This is the most universal depth used for all types of engagements, being in deep water or at shallow waters. This depth is capable of hitting all sorts of vessels, including PT boats. The main downside is that enemy ships can see the water trail made by the torpedo which can make enemy vessels evade or fire at the torpedo.
4 meter depth:
This is the recommended depth when on deep water trying to do long range sneaky engagements to big ships (most of them have bulkheads more than 4 m under the waterline). This is one of the riskier techniques as there is no way to launch them on shallow waters (most shallow water maps have water depth of 2-3 m). Only the captain and the team will be able to see the torpedo symbol while traveling close to them and it will not leave any visible water trail compared to the 1 meter depth torpedo.
The Pr. 41 rounds off the armament with four RBU-2500 anti-submarine rocket launchers, each carrying 12 rockets to total 48. As being rockets they have a limited effective engagement range, high arcs of fire and are very hard to aim in conjunction with primary weapons, however should a small boat decide to get too close or should you decide to engage a target at point-blank range, the barrage of 26 kg warheads smashing into the superstructure and hull of the hostile ship will almost certainly cripple it, if not outright sink it.
Radar
The Pr.41 has access to a Fut-N air/surface search radar and Sfera-56 fire control radar, unique for this vessel. The Fut-N is located on top of the mizzen mast (rear mast). Sfera-56 in front of the main mast is located on top of the bridge (refer to picture). Enemy pilots are often unaware of the presence of the radar as they are uncommon in-game, use surprise to your advantage. Radars can give you a huge advantage with situational awareness as no plane will be able to catch you unsuspected. Be aware of radar interference (mountains, trees, tall structures in general) as they will affect both your search and tracking radar. There are blind spots with the radars which pilots can exploit but most of them will not do so as radars are uncommon in battles. As previously stated, tracking radar can be used to manually engage targets. It is recommended to use tracking radar when engaging immediate threats the gunners are not engaging or low speed flying aircraft at long ranges (bombers). Most of the time, the use of tracking radar will not be necessary as gunners will take care of aircraft while the captain is engaging enemy vessels.
| Fut-N - Air/surface Search Radar | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Maximum Detection Range |
Guaranteed Detection Range |
Max Azimuth Scan Angle |
Max Elevation Scan Angle |
| 120,000 m | 10,000 m | 360° | 0°/+75° |
| Sfera-56 - Fire Control Radar | |||
| Maximum Tracking Range |
Minimum Tracking Range |
Azimuth Tracking Angle |
Elevation Tracking Angle |
| 10,000 m | 100 m | 315° | 0°/+80° |
Usage in battles
The Pr. 41 is a Cold War destroyer and thus, it should not be used a WW2 destroyer as the armour is lacklustre and RPM is limited compared to some cruisers and destroyers. Thus, the Pr. 41 should be used as a support and anti air ship. The powerful 130 mm are able to decimate destroyers and even cruisers in minutes, specially if the SAP round is used. The high speed and agility make it a decent runner when facing enemy ships and capping points. The torpedo can be formidable if used correctly, not only for the fact they are able to destroy whatever it hits but also because they are hard to aim due to the distances the Pr. 41 has to navigate in order to get into a decent launch distance. The 45 mm should be used as secondary weapons for everything but sinking heavily armoured ships. They are able to decimate light vessels in seconds as well as planes. For this same reason, the Pr. 41 should be used as an anti-air flagship as it is able to detect and engage enemy planes in a range of 130 km. Absolutely no aircraft will surprise the Pr. 41 while the search radar is active. The Pr. 41, when used in Enduring Confrontation events, is the most reliable and "Jack-of-All-Trades" ship seen in-game. Not only because it is able to dominate the skies but also because it is able to decimate enemy convoys within seconds with the firepower and torpedoes, specially if said convoys are unarmed cargo ships.
Absolutely NO battleship should be engaged with the 130 mm as they are mediocre and most of the time useless. However, they can damage and destroy outer modules like turrets, bridge, and smoke funnels, and can start fires. When facing heavily armoured vessels, torpedoes are a MUST as they will be your only reliable weapon against them. The Pr. 41 should zig-zag when being fired at as a single salvo is more than enough to instantly destroy you. Zig-zagging reduces the chances the enemy has to hit and due to the long reload, the Pr. 41 is able to close distance and fire torpedoes.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Radar lock makes it easier for player to target aircraft with the primary and secondary weapons
- Rather small profile for its battle rating - more difficult to hit
Cons:
- Light armour protection is insufficient against common opponents
History
Devblog
On January 26th, 1952, a Project 41 destroyer named Andrey Aleksandrovich Zhdanov embarked on sea trials from the Leningrad Shipyard. It was the first of more than a hundred planned ships that were intended for operation in distant maritime zones.
But this impressive major ship series did not see the light of day, and not because the ship proved to be bad. In fact, it was the opposite! The Neustrashimy was so “stuffed” with multiple innovations that it proved to be too complex for the shipbuilding enterprises of the time, as well as for its operators, the navy. For this reason, the ship was converted into a platform for testing various naval innovations and modernisations. In 1960, one of these innovations practically doubled the number of 45 mm automatic anti-aircraft guns.
Media
See also
Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the ship;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| USSR destroyers | |
|---|---|
| Imperial Russia | |
| Derzky-class | Frunze |
| Fidonisy-class | Kerch |
| Soviet Union | |
| Pr. 1 | Leningrad · Moskva |
| Pr. 45 | Opytny |
| Pr. 7 | Besposhchadny · Ryany |
| Pr. 7U | Soobrazitelny · Stroyny |
| Pr. 20 | Tashkent |
| Pr. 30 | Ognevoy |
| Pr. 30-bis | Smelyi · Bezuprechny |
| Pr. 41 | Neustrashimy |
| Pr. 56 | Spokoinyy · Blagorodnyy · Bravy |
| Trophies | Romania |
| Regele Ferdinand-class | Letuchiy |
| USSR premium ships | |
|---|---|
| Motor torpedo boats | G-5 (ShVAK) · Pr.123K (A-10bis) |
| Motor gun boats | TKA-412 · Pr.183 BM-21 · Ya-5M |
| Motor torpedo gun boats | MPK Pr.12412P |
| Armoured gun boats | MBK-161 early · MBK pr.186 (MK 85) · Pr.1124 MLRS · Pr.1204 |
| Sub-chasers | MPK Pr.122bis |
| Frigates | Rosomacha |
| Destroyers | Kerch · Ryany · Leningrad · Stroyny · Smelyi · Neustrashimy · Blagorodnyy |
| Light cruisers | Murmansk · Kerch · Zheleznyakov |
| Battleships | Marat |
