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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. The tank was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]] and has the distinction of being the first gift vehicle of the French tech trees. Member of the French AMX-50 tanks family, it is very similar to the [[AMX-50 Surbaissé|'''AMX-50 Surbaissé''']]. Compared to it, it is lower, has a more protected turret armour and has a 20mm MG 151 canon at the top, which is very efficient against aircraft and lightly armoured targets. Anyway, it is also heavier and hasn't smoke grenades launchers compared to the Surbaissé.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
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It could be obtained as the highest reward of the first season "Recon under Fire" of the [[World War|World War mode]], but can also be bought on the [[War Thunder Market]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight performance ===
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
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''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat?-''
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''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
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=== Mobility ===
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 1291|rbMinHp= 884}}
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The {{PAGENAME}} has a very good speed (around 40 km/h on flat land when fully upgraded) for a super heavy tank, which allows a fast deployment on the battlefield aside medium and modern tanks. The manoeuvrability is also good and allows the player to drive easily in an urban environment.
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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<!--''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''-->
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{{main|SA46 (120 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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! colspan="6" | Canon SA46 (120 mm)
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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| colspan="3" | 50 || -6°/+10° || 360° || N/A
 
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,500 m)
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
 
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|-
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || 1,480
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| ''Arcade'' || 19.4 || 26.9 || __.__  || __.__  || __.__
 
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! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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| ''Realistic'' || 14.3|| 16.8 || __.__  || __.__  || __.__
 
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,500 m)
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || 1,480
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| 6.0 || __.__ || __.__  || __.__
 
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==== Details ====
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="8" |Penetration Statistics
 
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! colspan="5" | Features
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! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" |Type of Warhead
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! colspan="6" |'''Penetration''' ''in mm'' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
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!10m
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!100m
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!500m
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!1000m
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!1500m
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!2000m
 
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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|120 mm Obus de rupture
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|APBC
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|301
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|298
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|286
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|272
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|258
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|245
 
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|120 mm Obus explosif
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|HE
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|39
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|39
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|39
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|39
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|39
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|39
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
 
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! colspan="5" | Limits
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! 0%
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! 50%
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps<br>(km/h)
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! 100%
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! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
 
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| 120mm Obus de rupture || AP || 1067 || 23.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 600 || ~7 || ~3
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| 120mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 22.84 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 4.65 || N/A || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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=== Additional armament ===
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
 
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
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| < 500 || < 600 || < 600 || N/A
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)]]
 
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! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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! colspan="7" | ''Pintle mount''
 
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! Optimal altitude
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! 100% Engine power
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! WEP Engine power
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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| 0 m || 2,550 kgf || N/A
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| colspan="4" | 500 || N/A || N/A || 360°
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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=== Machine guns ===
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''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
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{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}
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== Armaments ==
 
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
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''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.''
 
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=== Suspended armament ===
 
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''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.''
 
  
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=== Defensive armament ===
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''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''
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''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available, remove this subsection.''
 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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The AMX-50 Surblindé is a fast and very mobile super-heavy tank.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Powerful 120mm gun, a shot can pen a target protected with an armour of about 300 mm
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* Loading time is very short (6.0s), thanks to the autoloader
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* Probably the most mobile super-heavy tank of the game, a careful commander can perform
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* Very fast, can reach to 51 km/h on flat terrain
  
 
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* One shot in the turret can make the tank explode: up to 18 shells are stored at the back of the turret
  
 
== History ==
 
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=== Start of the project ===
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In July 1945, in the aftermath of liberation, the general staff of the French armed forces expressed the need for a heavy tank of national design. In view of the rise of tensions with the USSR and with the balance sheets drawn from the last world conflict, the French Army presented a precise specification of what was to be the future main tank of the army. The tank was to be comparable on several points to already existing machines. Indeed, it was requested armament of a minimum power equivalent to the gun of 88 mm German Tiger II. It was also asked for a shield equivalent to that of the Panther and mobility close to that of the T-34.
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=== The AMX-50 ''Surblindé'' ===
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In 1955, an AMX 50 ''Surblindé'' (over-armoured) is produced, able to measure itself against the most powerful machines then in service. A variant of the [[AMX-50 Surbaissé|AMX-50 ''Surbaissé'']] with a reinforced armour, the front armour shape is inspired by Russian tanks IS-3 or T10. The weight of this prototype reached about 60 tons.
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=== Abandonment of the project ===
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The tests carried out indicated a tank superior to its American and Soviet counterparts that were M26 Pershing and IS-3 respectively. But the Americans did not want to finance a project that would not be adopted. It was, therefore, necessary that the two countries, France and West Germany, adopt the tank so that its development continues. If France seemed ready to accept the project, it was not the case of West Germany which was inspired by the doctrines of the former general Heinz Guderian, a supporter of lighter and faster tanks. In addition, the development of new technologies and capabilities in the field of missiles and hollow-shell shells would render the massive tank armour obsolete and unsuitable for future large-scale conflict.
  
 
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Revision as of 10:47, 28 March 2020

AMX-50 Surblindé
fr_amx_50_surblinde.png
AMX-50 Surblindé
France flag.png France
V Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
7.7 7.7 7.7
Class:
Purchase:Bundle or Gift
Show in game
MARKET

Description

The AMX-50 Surblindé is a gift rank V French heavy tank with a battle rating of 7.7 (AB/RB/SB). The tank was introduced in Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy" and has the distinction of being the first gift vehicle of the French tech trees. Member of the French AMX-50 tanks family, it is very similar to the AMX-50 Surbaissé. Compared to it, it is lower, has a more protected turret armour and has a 20mm MG 151 canon at the top, which is very efficient against aircraft and lightly armoured targets. Anyway, it is also heavier and hasn't smoke grenades launchers compared to the Surbaissé.

It could be obtained as the highest reward of the first season "Recon under Fire" of the World War mode, but can also be bought on the War Thunder Market.

General info

Survivability and armour

Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat?-

If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 55 7 70 1291 1,908 18.44 27.26
Realistic 52 6 884 1,000 12.63 14.29

The AMX-50 Surblinde has a very good speed (around 40 km/h on flat land when fully upgraded) for a super heavy tank, which allows a fast deployment on the battlefield aside medium and modern tanks. The manoeuvrability is also good and allows the player to drive easily in an urban environment.

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: SA46 (120 mm)
Canon SA46 (120 mm)
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
50 -6°/+10° 360° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 19.4 26.9 __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic 14.3 16.8 __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
6.0 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration Statistics
Ammunition Type of Warhead Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
120 mm Obus de rupture APBC 301 298 286 272 258 245
120 mm Obus explosif HE 39 39 39 39 39 39
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
120mm Obus de rupture AP 1067 23.1 N/A N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
120mm Obus explosif HE 762 22.84 0.1 0.1 4.65 N/A 79° 80° 81°

Additional armament

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
MG 151/20 (20 mm)
Pintle mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
500 N/A N/A 360°

Machine guns

Main article: MAC 31 (7.5 mm)

Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.

Usage in battles

The AMX-50 Surblindé is a fast and very mobile super-heavy tank.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 120mm gun, a shot can pen a target protected with an armour of about 300 mm
  • Loading time is very short (6.0s), thanks to the autoloader
  • Probably the most mobile super-heavy tank of the game, a careful commander can perform
  • Very fast, can reach to 51 km/h on flat terrain

Cons:

  • One shot in the turret can make the tank explode: up to 18 shells are stored at the back of the turret

History

Start of the project

In July 1945, in the aftermath of liberation, the general staff of the French armed forces expressed the need for a heavy tank of national design. In view of the rise of tensions with the USSR and with the balance sheets drawn from the last world conflict, the French Army presented a precise specification of what was to be the future main tank of the army. The tank was to be comparable on several points to already existing machines. Indeed, it was requested armament of a minimum power equivalent to the gun of 88 mm German Tiger II. It was also asked for a shield equivalent to that of the Panther and mobility close to that of the T-34.

The AMX-50 Surblindé

In 1955, an AMX 50 Surblindé (over-armoured) is produced, able to measure itself against the most powerful machines then in service. A variant of the AMX-50 Surbaissé with a reinforced armour, the front armour shape is inspired by Russian tanks IS-3 or T10. The weight of this prototype reached about 60 tons.

Abandonment of the project

The tests carried out indicated a tank superior to its American and Soviet counterparts that were M26 Pershing and IS-3 respectively. But the Americans did not want to finance a project that would not be adopted. It was, therefore, necessary that the two countries, France and West Germany, adopt the tank so that its development continues. If France seemed ready to accept the project, it was not the case of West Germany which was inspired by the doctrines of the former general Heinz Guderian, a supporter of lighter and faster tanks. In addition, the development of new technologies and capabilities in the field of missiles and hollow-shell shells would render the massive tank armour obsolete and unsuitable for future large-scale conflict.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France heavy tanks
B1  B1 bis · B1 ter
2C  2C · 2C bis
ARL-44  ARL-44 (ACL-1)
AMX-50  Somua SM · AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
USA  ▄M4A3E2

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