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{{About
 
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| about = Chinese main battle tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
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| and
 
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| usage = other vehicles of the family
 
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| link-1 = M48 Patton (Family)
 
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| link-2 = M60 (Family)
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (''Rhinoceros'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.57 "Battle March"]]. It was developed as an interim solution to deal with Soviet heavy tanks on the Eastern front who were immune to the guns of Marders. It consists of an 88 mm anti-tank gun PaK 43 mounted on a Panzer IV chassis. It is also known as the ''Hornet'' (''Hornisse'' in German).
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A Taiwanese upgrade to the [[M60A3 TTS (China)|M60A3]], the CM11 "Brave Tiger" is currently the most modern tank in active service with Republic of China Army. It retains the general appearance of the M60 aside from the smaller turret and the unique pagoda-like ERA arrays on the turret sides. Though its mobility and kinetic protection are poor, it has the same 105 mm gun as the [[M1 Abrams]]. If used carefully, the CM11 can do some serious damage with its thermal sight and powerful DM63 APFSDS.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The CM11 combines the hull of a M60 Patton with the turret of a M48 Patton, and as such the base turret and hull armour is mostly identical to these two tanks, respectively. The M48's bulbous cupola has been replaced with a low-profile version. The armour is quite resistant to APHE rounds, which may be fired by the occasional [[Object 906]], [[Object 685]], and [[T-55AM-1]], but the vast majority of opponents at its rank use HEAT-FS and APFSDS rounds that can cut through steel like butter. To counter the former, the CM11 is slathered with ERA, and can generally survive the first shot from most HEAT-FS rounds. However the ERA offers close to no protection against APFSDS rounds, which are the round of choice in top rank battles.
 
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Post-penetration survivability is also questionable. It lacks blowout racks and ammunition is scattered around the tank, so successful penetrations can reduce the CM11 to a fiery grave.
 
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'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
  
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* Cast homogeneous armour
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, gun shield, superstructure)
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (Rear roof, Engine grille)
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* Structural steel (gun breech, mudguards)
  
 
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! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Hull || 108 mm (66°) ''Front Glacis'' <br> 137 mm (54°) ''Lower Glacis''|| 36 - 70 mm || 25 mm (1°) ''Engine Grille'' <br> 40 mm (31°) ''Top'' <br> 28 mm (61°) ''Bottom'' || 36 mm ''Front'' <br> 20 mm ''Engine deck''
 
 
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| Turret || 127 mm (12-76°) ''Turret front'' <br> 152 + 82 mm (17-26°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 69-100 mm (12-36°) || 51-55 mm (2-71°) || 25-69 mm
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| Hull || 15 mm (72°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 30 mm (27°) ''Driver port - front'' <br> 30 mm (21°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 20 mm (21°) ''Add-on tracks over lower glacis'' || 20 mm <br> 10 mm (33°) ''Driver port - side'' || 20 mm (10°) <br> 15 mm (9°) ''Add-on wheels'' || 15 mm (18°) ''Front glacis from above''
 
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! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Superstructure || 15 mm (28°) ''Conical gun shield'' <br> 10 mm (35°) ''Outer panels'' <br> 10 mm (41°) ''Inner panels connecting with the gun shield'' || 10 mm (15°) || 10 mm (13°) || N/A
 
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| Cupola || 70 mm || 70 mm || 70 mm || 70 mm
 
 
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'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
  
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* Tracks are 30 mm thick while suspension wheels are 20 mm thick.
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* Suspension wheels and torsion bars are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 19 mm in the front, 13 mm in the rear.
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* The bottom of the hull is 15 mm thick and mudguards are 4 mm thick.
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* 15 mm RHA plate between the engine and crew compartment.
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The {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is paper-thin; it will not protect the crew or internal modules even from heavy-calibre machine gun fire.  And, the vehicle can be hull-broken by high-calibre HE rounds.
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The {{PAGENAME}} also lacks roof protection, making it a very desirable target for enemy fighters and attackers.  Stay behind cover to avoid strafing runs or rocket attacks.
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One interesting (and somewhat comical) note on the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is that being so thin, high-penetration shells may pass through it without detonating at all.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 426|rbMinHp= 265}}
  
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The {{PAGENAME}}'s mobility is awful compared to its contemporaries. It weighs practically the same as the [[M1 Abrams]] while having less than half of the engine power. It is very slightly more mobile than the [[Chieftain Mk 10]], but that is a very low bar, and unlike the Chieftain it does not have strong armour to make up for it. Expect to be among the last to arrive on the battlefield.
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Being based on the chassis of the Panzer IV, the {{PAGENAME}} benefits from the same all-round mobility: the tank accelerates and brakes quickly and is able to reach its max speed of 43 km/h in a dozen of seconds. While there is no neutral steering, turning on the spot is still easily done as it is a light vehicle. The reverse speed is average and won't let you back quickly from a dangerous situation. If you need to quickly turn your hull on the spot towards flanking enemies, privilege the reverse gear as it has more torque. The offroad mobility is good: the {{PAGENAME}} can reach 12 km/h when climbing uphill from idling and 15 km/h when fording. The "Ostketten" wide tracks for snowy terrain also offer an improved offroad handling. Only big obstacles will hinder your mobility (large trees, concrete blocks, parked vehicles). In short, the {{PAGENAME}}'s mobility is good enough for the role it fulfills.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
 
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{{main|M68A1 (105 mm)}}
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{{main|PaK 43 (88 mm)}}
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The M68A1 is the same gun used by the [[M1 Abrams]]. It enjoys a quicker reload that tops out at 5 seconds. The gun handling is otherwise identical to the [[M60A3 TTS]], which is not great but still better than typical Soviet tanks.
 
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! colspan="5" | [[PaK 43 (88 mm)|88 mm PaK 43]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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| rowspan="2" | 56 || rowspan="2" | -9°/+19° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 21.42 || 29.65 || 36.00 || 39.81 || 42.35 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 5.75 || rowspan="2" | 5.30 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±15° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 10.6 || 14.6 ||17.8||19.6|| 20.9 || rowspan="2" | 8.7 || rowspan="2" |7.7|| rowspan="2" |7.1|| rowspan="2" | 6.7
 
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! ''Realistic''
 
! ''Realistic''
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| 13.40 || 15.75 || 19.13 || 21.15 || 22.50
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| 7.1 || 8.4 ||10.2||11.3|| 12.0
 
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The 88 mm PaK 43 gun has great penetration statistics at all ranges and angles with an average reload time. Due to the vehicle's design, the gun should be used to snipe enemy targets from long ranges.  Most enemy tanks will be crippled or destroyed if a shot connects.
 
==== Ammunition ====
 
==== Ammunition ====
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The stock M735 APFSDS round is a fairly good and reliable option. The flat penetration is not exceptional but as a long rod APFSDS, it does well against sloped armour. M735 will easily dispatch any enemy tank that does not have composite armour. MBTs with weaker composite armour like the [[XM-1 (GM)]] or [[M48 Super]] are still vulnerable.
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The available ammunition allows for engaging all types of targets:
  
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For tougher targets, the unlockable DM63 APFSDS round will rarely disappoint. It has the highest penetration of any 105 mm APFSDS round currently in the game, exceeding 430 mm of flat penetration. This is actually enough to penetrate the turret cheek of the M1 Abrams. However, it is overkill against most tanks that the CM11 will encounter. If Silver Lion costs are a concern, do not use DM63 as a primary round unless the CM11 has been uptiered a lot. Tanks to watch out for include the [[Chieftain Mk 10]], [[Challenger Mk.2]], [[Challenger Mk.3]], and [[Leopard 2A4]]. These all feature strong composite armour on their turret cheeks that DM63 will not be able to penetrate. Shoot the hull, gun mantlet, or turret ring instead.
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* '''PzGr 39/43''': APCBC; an armour-piercing shell with a high penetration power and an explosive filler that will destroy any tank that is penetrates.
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* '''PzGr 40/43''': APCR; a composite round with the best penetration but no explosive filler and will only penetrate flat vertical surfaces.
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The M456 HEAT-FS round is the less effective than the M735 APFSDS when fighting armoured targets due to its lower post-penetration damage, lower muzzle velocity, and weakness against composite or reactive armour. It is not a stock round either. Keep a few on hand for hull-breaking light targets.
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* '''Hl.Gr 39''': HEAT; a shaped charge with average penetration but without penetration loss over distance. Only penetrates flat vertical surfaces but the post-penetration damage is very effective on open and lightly armoured vehicles. Very slow shell travelling at circa half the speed of your fastest projectiles.
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* '''Sprgr.43''': HE; useful for destroying aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. Slow shell travelling at circa 3/4 of the speed of your fastest projectiles.
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The M393A2 HESH round is even more effective against light targets but has bad ballistics and low penetration. It can also be neutralized by spaced armour in addition to reactive and composite. The wide cone of damage may be helpful once in a while, so it does not hurt to take a handful, but it will generally not be useful.
 
  
 
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
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| M735 || APFSDS || 353 || 350 || 342 || 333 || 322 || 312
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| PzGr 39/43 || APCBC || 237 || 234 || 222 || 207 || 194 || 181
 
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| M393A2 || HESH || 127 || 127 || 127 || 127 || 127 || 127
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| PzGr 40/43 || APCR || 279 || 273 || 252 || 227 || 205 || 185
 
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| M456A2 || HEATFS || 400 || 400 || 400 || 400 || 400 || 400
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| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110 || 110
 
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| DM63 || APFSDS || 436 || 434 || 426 || 416 || 406 || 396
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| Sprgr.43 || HE || 14 || 14 || 14 || 14 || 14 || 14
 
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| PzGr 39/43 || APCBC || 1000 || 10.2 || 1.2 || 14 || 108.8 || 48° || 63° || 71°
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| M393A2 || HESH || 732 || 14.85 || 0.4 || 0.1 || 4,310 || 73° || 77° || 80°
 
 
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| PzGr 40/43 || APCR || 1130 || 7.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
 
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| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 600 || 7.6 || N/A || 0.3 || 1,100  || 62° || 69° || 73°
 
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
 
! 4th<br>rack empty
 
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| '''40''' || 33&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+39)'' || No
 
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* Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)|M240 (7.62 mm)}}
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{{main|MG34 (7.92 mm)}}
  
 
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| Commander's cupola || 900 (200) || 576 || -9°/+65° || ±180°
 
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| Loader's cupola || 3,000 (200) || 750 || -9°/+65° || -77°/+135°
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| Pintle - left side || 2500 (150) || 900 || -5°/+15° || -125°/-5°
 
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The {{PAGENAME}} has two [[MG34 (7.92 mm)]] machine guns covering the vehicle's flanks. Since they are secondary weapons, there are no ammunition belt options. Furthermore, they have various blind spots (e.g. the rear and the front of the tank and the area above the vehicle). The machine guns have an elevation of only +15°, rendering them useless against diving fighters or bombers.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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Like most MBTs in the Chinese tech tree, the CM11 should be played in a laid back, cautious manner since its firepower is good but its speed is not nearly sufficient for flanking quickly and catching enemies by surprise. Unfortunately its poor armour and large profile make hull-down sniping difficult, though it does enjoy better gun depression than most PRC/Soviet tanks. It is best to stay close to cover and observe the environment. When the enemies are spotted, pop out, shoot first, and try to at least cripple them. The DM63 APFSDS has very good penetration for a 105 mm round, easily penetrating almost all targets that the CM11 is likely to encounter. The fast reload time ensures rapid follow-up shots. If the teammates do a good job distracting the enemy team or the CM11 somehow manages to flank successfully, several targets can be knocked out in rapid succession. Make good use of the thermal optics, as not all tanks at its battle rating feature them and they are very advantageous for spotting enemies early.
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The {{PAGENAME}} should be used as a long-range sniper in realistic battles. It is recommended to sit behind a ridge or behind cover, emerging to take shots at unaware enemies. At close range, the {{PAGENAME}} suffers due to its lack of a turret and poor survivability.
  
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As a whole, the CM11 is somewhat like a tank destroyer, having a powerful gun but not much else. In a meta favouring high speed and high protection, it is rather out of place, but it can still work in the hands of a skilled player with good aim and reflexes. Trust the DM63 APFSDS, stay alert, shoot first, and avoid getting shot in return.
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In arcade battles, spotting markers make any sniping positions automatically unviable. Enemy players will have no trouble locating and destroying the {{PAGENAME}}. The best thing to do is to constantly be on the move, searching for new firing positions, and to keep an eye on flanking enemies.
  
 
=== Modules ===
 
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| Parts
 
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| Crew Replenishment
 
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| Engine
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Access to powerful DM63 APFSDS
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* The powerful 88 mm PaK 43 cannon can destroy most, if not all, opponents in one shot
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* Fast reload, topping out at 5 seconds like the [[M1 Abrams]]
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* The thin armour may cause some shells to overpenetrate (pass through the tank without detonating)
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* Heavy ERA coverage, decent resistance to chemical rounds
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* Two machine guns to deal with lightly armoured targets
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* Has a thermal sight for the gunner
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* Reload times are faster than those of the [[Tiger (Germany)]] tanks.
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* Low-profile cupola
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* The mobility of a [[Panzer IV]]
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* Stock M735 APFSDS is economical
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Large target
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* Poor mobility
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* Crew are vulnerable to artillery and strafing aircraft
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* ERA has negligible kinetic protection
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* Ammo racks are exposed on the sides of the crew compartment
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* Vulnerable to APFSDS rounds
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* Can be hull-broken
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* Horrible gun depression
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* Very tall silhouette
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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In 1980, the Republic of China (ROC), also known as Taiwan, created the Armored Vehicle Development Center. It was created partially to develop the CM-11 tank. The Republic of China Army (ROCA) needed a 2nd generation main battle tank (MBT), and they wanted to acquire one without breaking any limitations placed on the ROC by the US-PRC Joint Communique. As such, they decided to create a hybrid design using the M48A3 turret and the M60A3 hull. In the ROC, it is known as the CM-11 Brave Tiger, whereas the United States designated it as the M48H for M48 hybrid. To create the tank, the ROC imported M60A3 hulls from the United States along with M68 105 mm cannons and M48A3 turrets. They imported the commanders cupola from Israel. Two prototypes were finished in 1988 and the ROCA ordered 450 CM-11 tanks.
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Also known as the Hornisse (Hornet), the {{PAGENAME}} comprised a composite Pz III/IV chassis and an 8.8 cm PaK 43 gun. 494 were built and it was used on all fronts in the heavy tank destroyer units from mid-1943 on. The first user was the 655th Schwere Panzerjaegerabteilung in Russia.
  
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The hull of the CM-11 is from the M60A3 tank built in the US. As such, the CM-11 uses a torsion bar suspension system, and is powered by a Continental AVDS-1790-2C diesel engine producing 750 hp. The turret is from the M48A3 tank, but with the Israeli Urdan style commander's cupola with a low profile. Armament consists of an M68 105 mm cannon, the commander's 12.7 mm (.50 in) M2 Browning machine gun, a co-axial 7.62 mm M240 machine gun, and the loader's 7.62 mm M240 machine gun. The fire control system is the same system as used by the M1 Abrams, and the M68 105 mm gun has a two-plane stabilizer. The optics and thermal imaging are also as modern as those on the M1 Abrams, giving the CM-11 night fighting and fire-on-the-move ability. The design has a number of drawbacks though. The main battle tanks of the People's Liberation Army (PLO) are the 2nd generation ZTZ/Type 96 and 3rd generation ZTZ/Type 99, which mount a 125 mm gun which can reliably penetrate the armor of the CM-11. This is because the CM-11 is a design that has become outdated in terms of combat capability, as its parts were designed in the 1960's. To counter this, it was attempted to put explosive reactive armor (ERA) from the French company GIAT on the CM-11, but that would tax the suspension too much, so the idea was dropped. In 2012, a CM-11 was seen at an exercise mounting ERA designed by CSIST, which featured extreme angles to increase the chance of enemy shells deflecting off of the armor.
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While still retaining access to supplies of older US equipment and components, the decision was made to create a hybrid tank from the available components and outfit it with the latest electronics. As such, Taiwanese engineers took the hull and chassis of the M60A3 and combined it with the turret of the M48, while installing the M68A1 105mm cannon and the latest US fire control systems available.
 
  
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The result of this undertaking was the CM11. In the late 1980s, two prototypes were sent to the US for comparative tests against the M60A3, where the CM11 outperformed its counterpart in gunnery trials. Shortly after these successful tests, the CM11 officially entered service in 1990.
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However, as the protection was seen to be somewhat lacking, the decision was made to upgrade the CM11 with ERA packages obtained from GIAT in the early '90s. Due to substantial weight increases and associated upgrade costs however, this modernization effort was only applied to about a dozen vehicles. In total, 450 CM11s were built for the armed forces, still representing the spearhead of the country's armored units today.
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Nashorn
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Nashorn
Germany flag.png Germany
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.3 5.3 5.3
Class:
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Description

GarageImage Nashorn.jpg


The 8,8 Pak 43/1 Sf."Nashorn" (Rhinoceros) is a rank III German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.57 "Battle March". It was developed as an interim solution to deal with Soviet heavy tanks on the Eastern front who were immune to the guns of Marders. It consists of an 88 mm anti-tank gun PaK 43 mounted on a Panzer IV chassis. It is also known as the Hornet (Hornisse in German).

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, gun shield, superstructure)
  • Structural steel (gun breech, mudguards)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 15 mm (72°) Front glacis
30 mm (27°) Driver port - front
30 mm (21°) Lower glacis
20 mm (21°) Add-on tracks over lower glacis 		20 mm
10 mm (33°) Driver port - side 		20 mm (10°)
15 mm (9°) Add-on wheels 		15 mm (18°) Front glacis from above
Superstructure 15 mm (28°) Conical gun shield
10 mm (35°) Outer panels
10 mm (41°) Inner panels connecting with the gun shield 		10 mm (15°) 10 mm (13°) N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and torsion bars are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick.
  • The bottom of the hull is 15 mm thick and mudguards are 4 mm thick.

The Nashorn's armour is paper-thin; it will not protect the crew or internal modules even from heavy-calibre machine gun fire. And, the vehicle can be hull-broken by high-calibre HE rounds.

The Nashorn also lacks roof protection, making it a very desirable target for enemy fighters and attackers. Stay behind cover to avoid strafing runs or rocket attacks.

One interesting (and somewhat comical) note on the Nashorn's armour is that being so thin, high-penetration shells may pass through it without detonating at all.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 44 9 24.3 426 572 17.53 23.54
Realistic 40 8 265 300 10.91 12.35

Being based on the chassis of the Panzer IV, the Nashorn benefits from the same all-round mobility: the tank accelerates and brakes quickly and is able to reach its max speed of 43 km/h in a dozen of seconds. While there is no neutral steering, turning on the spot is still easily done as it is a light vehicle. The reverse speed is average and won't let you back quickly from a dangerous situation. If you need to quickly turn your hull on the spot towards flanking enemies, privilege the reverse gear as it has more torque. The offroad mobility is good: the Nashorn can reach 12 km/h when climbing uphill from idling and 15 km/h when fording. The "Ostketten" wide tracks for snowy terrain also offer an improved offroad handling. Only big obstacles will hinder your mobility (large trees, concrete blocks, parked vehicles). In short, the Nashorn's mobility is good enough for the role it fulfills.

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: PaK 43 (88 mm)
88 mm PaK 43 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 40 -5°/+20° ±15° N/A 10.6 14.6 17.8 19.6 20.9 8.7 7.7 7.1 6.7
Realistic 7.1 8.4 10.2 11.3 12.0

The 88 mm PaK 43 gun has great penetration statistics at all ranges and angles with an average reload time. Due to the vehicle's design, the gun should be used to snipe enemy targets from long ranges. Most enemy tanks will be crippled or destroyed if a shot connects.

Ammunition

The available ammunition allows for engaging all types of targets:

  • PzGr 39/43: APCBC; an armour-piercing shell with a high penetration power and an explosive filler that will destroy any tank that is penetrates.
  • PzGr 40/43: APCR; a composite round with the best penetration but no explosive filler and will only penetrate flat vertical surfaces.
  • Hl.Gr 39: HEAT; a shaped charge with average penetration but without penetration loss over distance. Only penetrates flat vertical surfaces but the post-penetration damage is very effective on open and lightly armoured vehicles. Very slow shell travelling at circa half the speed of your fastest projectiles.
  • Sprgr.43: HE; useful for destroying aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. Slow shell travelling at circa 3/4 of the speed of your fastest projectiles.
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PzGr 39/43 APCBC 237 234 222 207 194 181
PzGr 40/43 APCR 279 273 252 227 205 185
Hl.Gr 39 HEAT 110 110 110 110 110 110
Sprgr.43 HE 14 14 14 14 14 14
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
PzGr 39/43 APCBC 1000 10.2 1.2 14 108.8 48° 63° 71°
PzGr 40/43 APCR 1130 7.3 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Hl.Gr 39 HEAT 600 7.6 N/A 0.3 1,100 62° 69° 73°
Sprgr.43 HE 820 9.4 0.1 0.5 1,000 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Nashorn
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
40 33 (+7) 25 (+15) 21 (+19) 1 (+39) No

Notes:

  • To go into battle with the flanks empty of ammo, pack 25 (+15) shells (racks 1 and 2 empty).
  • Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.

Machine guns

Main article: MG34 (7.92 mm)
7.92 mm MG34
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Pintle - left side 2500 (150) 900 -5°/+15° -125°/-5°
Pintle - right side 2500 (150) 900 -5°/+15° +5°/+120°

The Nashorn has two MG34 (7.92 mm) machine guns covering the vehicle's flanks. Since they are secondary weapons, there are no ammunition belt options. Furthermore, they have various blind spots (e.g. the rear and the front of the tank and the area above the vehicle). The machine guns have an elevation of only +15°, rendering them useless against diving fighters or bombers.

Usage in battles

The Nashorn should be used as a long-range sniper in realistic battles. It is recommended to sit behind a ridge or behind cover, emerging to take shots at unaware enemies. At close range, the Nashorn suffers due to its lack of a turret and poor survivability.

In arcade battles, spotting markers make any sniping positions automatically unviable. Enemy players will have no trouble locating and destroying the Nashorn. The best thing to do is to constantly be on the move, searching for new firing positions, and to keep an eye on flanking enemies.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Ostketten Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire Hl.Gr 39
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine PzGr 40/43

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • The powerful 88 mm PaK 43 cannon can destroy most, if not all, opponents in one shot
  • The thin armour may cause some shells to overpenetrate (pass through the tank without detonating)
  • Two machine guns to deal with lightly armoured targets
  • Reload times are faster than those of the Tiger (Germany) tanks.
  • The mobility of a Panzer IV

Cons:

  • Has next to no armour and can be penetrated by .50 cal machine guns
  • Crew are vulnerable to artillery and strafing aircraft
  • Ammo racks are exposed on the sides of the crew compartment
  • Can be hull-broken
  • Horrible gun depression
  • Very tall silhouette

History

Also known as the Hornisse (Hornet), the Nashorn comprised a composite Pz III/IV chassis and an 8.8 cm PaK 43 gun. 494 were built and it was used on all fronts in the heavy tank destroyer units from mid-1943 on. The first user was the 655th Schwere Panzerjaegerabteilung in Russia.

Media

Skins
Videos
Nashorn Tank Review - NUSensei

See also

Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
Vehicles equipped with the same gun

External links


Germany tank destroyers
Pz. I Derivatives  Panzerjäger I
Pz. II Derivatives  15cm sIG 33 B Sfl
Pz. 38(t) Derivatives  Marder III · Marder III H · Jagdpanzer 38(t)
Pz. III Derivatives  StuG III A · StuG III F · StuG III G · StuH 42 G
Pz. IV Derivatives  Jagdpanzer IV · Panzer IV/70(A) · Panzer IV/70(V) · Dicker Max · Nashorn · Brummbär · VFW
Pz. V Derivatives  Jagdpanther G1 · Bfw. Jagdpanther G1
Pz. VI Derivatives  Sturer Emil · Elefant · Ferdinand · 38 cm Sturmmörser · Jagdtiger
Wheeled/Half-track  8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl. · Sd.Kfz.251/9 · Sd.Kfz.251/10 · Sd.Kfz.251/22 · Sd.Kfz.234/3 · Sd.Kfz.234/4 · 15 cm Pz.W.42
ATGM Carrier  RakJPz 2 · RakJPz 2 (HOT) · Wiesel 1A2
Other  Waffenträger · M109G · JPz 4-5 · Raketenautomat · VT1-2

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