P-47D-25 Thunderbolt

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P-47D-25 Thunderbolt in the Garage.

The P-47D-25 Thunderbolt is a Rank III American strike fighter with a battle rating of 3.3 (AB), 4.3 (RB), and 3.7 (SB). It was in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.

The main purpose, usage and tactics recommendations

General play style

Vehicle characteristics

Like the P-51D Mustang, the P-47D-25 is one of the iconic fighters of the USAAF and thus one of the most powerful. The wing of the British Spitfire melded with the iconic Pratt and Whitney R-2800 and bulky body, the P-47 is truly a force to be reckoned with, possessing very good performance, weaponry, and loadout. The `Jug´ is thus one of the best fighters in the USAF line; possessing the hallmarks of a great fighter and the capability of a fast attacker.

Tactics

The Thunderbolt was used as a high altitude bomber escort and excels at fighter roles in the game, but it can also be used an a very effective ground attack aircraft, thanks to it's impressive bomb load. With the equivalent of 3,000 lbs of ordnance under its wings with munitions such as 1,000 lb bombs and 10 HVAR rockets, it is an excellent fighter-bomber. In this role, its performance is often superior to even dedicated ground attack aircraft such as IL-2 Sturmoviks. It's eight fifty-caliber guns are effective against soft targets which aren't worth rockets or bombs. With good aim they can destroy light pillboxes at distances less than 400m if using the "Ground Targets" belt. When engaging against enemy aircraft, Boom and Zoom tactics are a must, never try to dogfight with the 'Jug'. When diving on a target, if you don't secure the kill, don't try to turn and finish him, use the speed you built in the dive and extend away, climb up, immelmann and do it all again.

In Arcade battles, the P-47 can be pushed to its limits. Climb rate, turn rate, and responsiveness are all dramatically increased. Still, tactics taken in RB also apply very well in Arcade- this fighter is great for practicing `Boom and Zoom´ in Arcade due to the impressive climb rate in this mode. However, skill will not be built nearly as well in this mode, as rolling scissors and "skidding" maneuvers will not really be needed.

Overall, the P-47 is a very pleasurable plane to fly for a quick jaunt in AB.

Two main skill modes present themselves:'
Strike fighter (fighter-bomber), taken by going low with full payload, ravaging the countryside, or gain altitude to hunt for bombers, or use the height to dive on enemies who do not have the patience to climb. For the former `round attack belt´ is obviously advised, it will easily pierce armoured cars and light pillboxes, they do work well on aircraft too.

When using the "Jug" as a fighter remember that speed and altitude are your lifeline. Never give these up unless you must to stay alive. Also remember that in arcade planes accelerate very quickly so you need a huge speed advantage to make sure you make a getaway in a boom and zoom attack. With this is mind dive in on enemies that are engaging a teammate or ones that at least 1 km bellow you. if you do not kill the enemy remember to go into a shallow climb to extend not a steep climb
A wonderful BnZ fighter in every respect, therefore fly it accordingly! As in real life the performance advantage will drastically shift in favour of the P-47D above 3000m (Soviet opponents) or 6000m (most German and Japanese aircraft). The climb rate of this plane is not the best as such it is a good idea to side climb and wait for the first engagement. In many case don't be afraid to dive away from an enemy and then pull-up drastically since you have a heavy and very tough airfame, this makes altitude a very important asset. In RB it is wise to wait until after the first engagements with enemies, then if your team has a numerical advantage land on the airstrip, bail out and then load the ground attack ordnance, remember to not bail out until fully repaired and rearmed.
It's bubble canopy makes spotting enemies much easier then most other planes even when you are above the enemy. Remember that firing at an enemy plane at convergence range will be devastating, choosing a comfortable targeting distance is crucial in the Thunderbolt. In many case don't be afraid to dive away from an enemy and then pull-up drastically since you have a heavy and very tough airfame, this makes altitude a very important asset, and thus side climbing is always beneficial.

Specific enemies worth noting

Counter-tactics

Pros and cons

Pros
  • Great at diving and BnZ
  • Great boom and zoom fighter
  • Great interceptor
  • It is the perfect multirole plane
  • Impressive speed, great engine performance above 6000m
  • It is very rugged
  • Impressive firepower of 8x 12.7mm M2 browning machine guns
  • Plenty of ammo
  • First plane in the U.S tech tree to gain access to pure API-T ammo belts
  • Very fast for it's tier and current battle rating
  • One of the few fighters that can carry both bombs and rockets at the same time, making it excellent for ground attack
  • By using opposite rudder and aileron controls, for example, left rudder and right aileron, the Thunderbolt can "skid" quickly in in the direction the rudder. Very useful to dodge shots. Works for both the D-25 and D-28.
  • Battle rating of 3.0 gives the plane a significant advantages over other planes in terms of technical specifications, provided one can play it to it's strengths.
  • Impressive payload. When full researched, the P-47s can carry two 1,000lb bombs and one 500lb bomb,as well as the rockets.

Cons

  • Terrible turning time at low altitude/low speed
  • Mediocre climb performance (side climbing recommended)
  • Larger than average fighters
  • Poor overall performance when mounting payloads
  • After attacking ground targets, the P-47 lacks the altitude to Boom and Zoom enemy fighters.
Pros
  • Great weaponry
  • Plenty of ammo
  • boom and zoom
  • Great dive control
  • Great dive energetic reservoire
  • Good topspeed at high altitude >6000m
  • Good high speed instantaneous turn
  • Won't run out of fuel soon
  • Versatile modus operandi

Cons

  • Agility at low speeds is bad
  • Slow acceleration on the horizontal
  • Initial dive acceleration is slow
Pros
  • Great cockpit
  • Plenty of spray 'n pray fiddycals
  • Versatility
  • Instantanous turnrate great
  • Very stable gun platform
  • Pleasant stall characteristics

Cons

  • Not maneuverable at low speeds
  • Acceleration on the flat is bad
  • Does not lose speed fast enough for certain overshoot maneuvers
  • Poor engine performance overall at low altitude
  • Machine guns are mounted very far apart

Specifications

Armaments

Offensive armaments

  • 8 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (425 rpg = 3400 total)

Payloads

  • 1 x 500 lbs AN-M64A1 bomb
  • 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 bombs
  • 10 x 127 mm HVAR rockets
  • 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 bombs + 1 x 500 lbs AN-M64A1 bomb
  • 10 x 127 mm HVAR rockets + 1 x 500 lbs AN-M64A1 bomb
  • 10 x 127 mm HVAR rockets + 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 bombs
  • 10 x 127 mm HVAR rockets + 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 bombs + 1 x 500 lbs AN-M64A1 bomb

bombs

bombs

Bombs

Nation Mass (nominal) Name Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Bomb properties High explosive Fragmentation
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Germany
1,000 kg SC 1000L2 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg SC 250Ja 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg SC 50Ja 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg SC 500K 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
10 kg SD 10C 152 0.8 0.3 5m 8mm 0 15m 5mm
10 kg SD 10a 152 0.8 0.5 5m 10mm 0 15m 5mm
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Japan
250 kg mod.25 mk 2 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg mod. 50 mk 2 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
800 kg mod. 80 mk 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg Type 92 mod. 25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg Type 92 mod. 50 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
100 kg Type 94 mod. 10 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
50 kg Army Type 94 mod. 5 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
60 kg Type 97 mod. 6 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
250 kg Type 98 mod.25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
800kg Type 99 mod. 25 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
800 kg Navy Type 99 No. 80 mod. 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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USSR
100 kg FAB-100 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
1,000 kg FAB-1000 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg FAB-250M-43 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg FAB-50 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg FAB-500 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
1,500 kg FAB-1500M-46 450 33 2452.7 70m 450mm 94.4 150m 15mm
3,000 kg FAB-3000M-46 450 33 8493.2 100m 500mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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Britain
453 kg 1000 lb GP 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb GP mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb MC mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 43 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb late 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 43 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
1,815 kg mk 2 Cookie 450 100 4955.1 80m 400mm 87.6 200m 15mm
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USA
453.6 kg 1000lb AN-M65 cone 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453.6 kg 1000 lb AN-M65A1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
45.4 kg 100 lb AN-M30A1 152 4.3 1 8m 50mm 51.3 40m 10mm
907.2 kg 2000 lb AN-M66A2 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb AN-M57 267 9.3 4.1 12m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb AN-M64A1 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
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France
kg 100 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 200 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 500 kg No. 2 m mm m mm

Rockets

Rockets

Aircraft Rockets

Nation Mass Name Velocity Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Rocket properties High explosive Fragmentation
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Germany
110.9 kg BR 20 350 m/s 210 100 210.8 5 m 75 mm 100 50 m 10 mm
3.85 kg R4M Orkan 525 m/s 55 0 0.6 1 m 12 mm 5.2 25 m 8 mm
2.78 kg RZ 65 Föhn 260 m/s 73 17.5 0 0.9 m 10 mm 13.1 15 m 8 mm
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Japan
60 kg 60 kg 340 m/s 82 21.1 99.9 6 m 60 mm 0 15 m 8 mm
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USSR
41.9 kg RS-132 350 m/s 132 14 27.9 3 m 75 mm 43.3 25 m 10 mm
7.84 kg RS-82 340 m/s 82 0 0.6 1 m 23 mm 16.9 12 m 8 mm
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Britain
64 kg HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
43 kg RP-3 350 m/s 76 10.5 35.8 3.5m 75 mm 56.7 15 m 5 mm
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USA
583 kg 11.75 in Tiny Tim 300 m/s 298 17.5 1,289.2 13 m 120 mm 183.4 45 m 12 mm
64 kg 5 in HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
17 kg M8 Bazooka 250 m/s 114 3.5 6 1 m 29 mm 16.8 25 m 7 mm

Engine & mobility

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Engine

Name: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-63 18-cylinder radial
  • Cooling type: Air
  • Max power: 1806 hp (Stock), 2252 hp (Upgraded)
  • Takeoff power: 2108 hp (Stock), 2254 hp (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 1027 kg
Name: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-63 18-cylinder radial
  • Cooling type: Air
  • Max power: 1786 hp (Stock), 2000 hp (Upgraded)
  • Takeoff power: 2088 hp (Stock), 2302 hp (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 1027 kg
Name: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-63 18-cylinder radial
  • Cooling type: Air
  • Max power: 1786 hp (Stock), 2000 hp (Upgraded)
  • Takeoff power: 2088 hp (Stock), 2302 hp (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 1027 kg

Stats

Stock
  • Max speed: 665 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 26.6 s
  • Rate of Climb: 5.3 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 736 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 23.4 s
  • Rate of Climb: 18.2 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 656 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 27.2 s
  • Rate of Climb: 7.1 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 700 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 25.0 s
  • Rate of Climb: 10.6 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 656 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 27.2 s
  • Rate of Climb: 7.1 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 700 km/h
    • at height: 9,114 m
  • Max altitude: 12,200 m
  • Turn Time: 25.0 s
  • Rate of Climb: 10.6 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 600 m

Performance

Warning this is still in the test phase and is probably incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data taken from 1.55)



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3
4
5
6
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8
9
10
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0.48
0.96
1.44
1.92
2.4
Horsepower in 1000hp
Altitude in 1000m

Supercharger Stage #1: 100%

Supercharger Stage #1: WEP



Modules and improvements

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair, Radiator Offensive 12 mm
II Compressor Airframe FMBC mk.1
III Wings repair, Engine New 12 mm MGs, FRC mk.2
IV G-suit, Engine injection Cover FLBC mk.1

Recommendation:
Climb rate and acceleration is a big issue for the stock P-47D. Focus on Compressor, Engine, Wing repairs and Engine Injection first. During this performance focused grind, you can additionally research New 12.7mm belts and the various payload modules to unlock the higher tiers for the better performance upgrades.

History of creation and combat usage

Developed by North Republic Aviation, the main role of the P-47 Thunderbolt was Bomber Escort, at high altitude the 'Jug' could contend with the latest from the Luftwaffe. The design was to also include much better protection for the pilot by having increased armor around the cockpit, however this increased it's weight substantially. It was the first American fighter to receive more than the standard x6 .50 caliber M2 Browning Machine guns, a total of 8 all together. Making it the most powerful Allied aircraft in terms of firepower at the time. Thanks to its rugged design, The Thunderbolt was able to take a considerable beating, more so than other allied aircraft, also with it's sturdy airframe and reliable radial engine, the 'Jug' quickly took on the roll of ground attack, able to arm itself with 2500lbs of bombs and rockets. All in all the Thunderbolt was one of the most successful allied aircraft during the war, even with the introduction of the faster and more nimble P-51 Mustang, later modifications of the Thunderbolt would go on to see action in the later part of the Pacific Campaign against the Imperial Japanese Navy.

A total of 385 D-25 Models of the P-47 were constructed. This model was the first to receive the teardrop canopy. It was also fitted with an increased supply of oxygen and some systems were repositioned for higher fuel capacity.

Ingame description

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Screenshots and fan art

Skins and camouflages for the P-47D-25 from live.warthunder.com.

Additional information (links)

References


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Icon-country-usa.png P-47D-25 Thunderbolt
Nation USA
Type High Altitude Fighter
Attackers
Fighting style Boom & Zoom
Ground Attack

   Metric✓       Imperial   

   Metric       Imperial✓   

Offensive armaments
8 x M2/late Browning Heavy machine gun
Magazine 425 rpg
Mount Wing-mounted
Payload Option 1
Without load Clean plane
Payload Option 2
1 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 💣 Bomb
Payload Option 3
2 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 💣 Bomb
Payload Option 4
2 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 💣 Bomb
1 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 💣 Bomb
Payload Option 5
10 x 127 mm HVAR 🚀 Rocket
Payload Option 6
10 x 127 mm HVAR 🚀 Rocket
1 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 💣 Bomb
Payload Option 7
10 x 127 mm HVAR 🚀 Rocket
2 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 💣 Bomb
Payload Option 8
10 x 127 mm HVAR 🚀 Rocket
2 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 💣 Bomb
1 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 💣 Bomb
Characteristics
Empty Weight ~4971 kg
Empty Weight + fuel ~6117 kg
Takeoff Weight ~9535 kg
Wing Area ~28 m²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks no
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Power per Engine 2000 hp
WEP Duration 19.99 minutes
top speed ~700.06 kph at 9144 m
Climb Rate ~10.60 m/s
Optimal climb velocity ~281.52 kph
Turn Time ~25.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~178.00 kg/m²
Characteristics
Empty Weight ~10958 lb
Empty Weight + fuel ~13485 lb
Takeoff Weight ~21022 lb
Wing Area ~301 ft²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks no
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Power per Engine 2000 hp
WEP Duration 19.99 minutes
Top speed ~434.99 mph at 30000 ft
Climb Rate 34.78 ft/s
Optimal climb velocity ~174.93 mph
Turn Time 25.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~36.46 lb/ft²
Limits
Max Speed limit 885 kph
Gear lmit 450 kph
Combat Flaps 520 kph
Max static +G's ~14
Max static -G's ~6
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <380 kph
Rudder <420 kph
Elevators <450 kph
Radiator >250 kph
Limits
Max Speed limit 550 mph
Gear lmit 280 mph
Combat Flaps 323 mph
Max static +G's ~14
Max static -G's ~6
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <236 mph
Rudder <261 mph
Elevators <280 mph
Radiator >155 mph
Manual Control
Mixer is controllable
Pitch is controllable
has automatic pitch
Radiator (water) is controllable
Radiator (oil) is controllable
Oil and water uses different radiator control
Supercharger is controllable
Turbocharger is controllable
Compressor settings 1
Optimal Altitude
7350 m
24114 ft
100% Enginepower 2000 hp
WEP Enginepower 2300 hp
* Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.57 initial release)