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{{Specs-Card|code=germ_pzkpfw_38t_Marder_III}}
 
 
{{About
 
{{About
 
| about = German tank destroyer '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
| about = German tank destroyer '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
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| usage = the other version III
| link = LT-38 (Family)
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| link = Marder III H
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_MarderIII.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' ([[Abbreviations#.28DE.29_Sd.Kfz._Index|Sd.Kfz. Index:]] '''Sd.Kfz. 139''') was a modified [[LT-38 (Family)|Pz.38(t)]] up-gunned with captured Russian 76.2 mm field guns rechambered with the munition of the [[PaK 40/3 (75 mm)|PaK 40]] as a self-propelled anti-tank gun, adding significant firepower among self-propelled battalions. It was primarily decided to be built due to the increase of heavier Russian targets such as the [[KV-1 (Family)|KV-1]] and [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]] as the German anti-tank tools in early Barbarossa failed to deal with these targets.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|name}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.43]].
 
 
 
The armour of the Marder is its biggest fault. Because it is open-topped, strafing runs from fighter planes can disable the crew very easily, even leading to ammo detonation! Enemy tanks only have this privilege because of poor positioning of the Marder, or because of a highly exploited breakthrough of allied defences. The front turret armour is also very thin and is vulnerable to basically any weapon save most 7.62 MGs. The hull armour at the front is rather thick at 50mm and is decently sloped for a tank destroyer. It still should not be relied on heavily, but if angled correctly it can be used to deflect British 2 pdr. guns, German, US and Russian 37mm and sometimes 50mm guns, as well as most ammunition used by the KV-1 series of tanks.
 
  
The Marder also has surprisingly poor manoeuvrability for a small tank destroyer. Being based on the Pz38(t) chassis, forward turning abilities slow the tank down significantly and neutral turning leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that the Marder has a forward facing gun with no turret means that it is required for the whole vehicle to turn to align the gun onto target if out of its arc of fire. Therefore, it is highly recommended to play with a squadmate or more mobile player, as the mobility of the Marder can significantly hamper urban combat abilities. Use the high speed of the Marder to reach a comfortable shooting position and stay there- the poor traverse and turning speed is fatal against nearly all turreted vehicles, along with the very poor armour.
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.43]]. Being a field gun strapped onto a light tank hull, it offers little protection to the crew, but this is compensated by the firepower the Marder does offer with its dangerous gun. It provides an excellent sniper vehicle to support the team at longer ranges, and to crack open heavier targets the rest of the team can't deal with.
 
 
However, the Marder makes up for most of these drawbacks with its high velocity, high damage 76mm cannon. It can OHK every single tank within the 1.7-3.7 BR range. Whether it be a Sherman, T-34, or Churchill, no UFP (upper front plate) is safe. Ballistics are very similar to all other 75mm long guns in the German line (IV F2, Marder III H, etc.), and thus experienced German tankers should not have issues assimilating to the Marder's cannon.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 
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'''Armour type:'''
'''Armour type:'''  
 
  
 
*Rolled homogeneous armour
 
*Rolled homogeneous armour
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| Hull || 50 mm (19°) ''Front plate'' <br> 12 mm (74°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 50 mm (13°) ''Lower glacis'' || 16 mm ''Upper'' <br> 15 mm ''Lower'' || 15 mm || 12 mm
 
| Hull || 50 mm (19°) ''Front plate'' <br> 12 mm (74°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 50 mm (13°) ''Lower glacis'' || 16 mm ''Upper'' <br> 15 mm ''Lower'' || 15 mm || 12 mm
 
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| Turret || 11 + 8 mm (31°) || 11 mm (8-9°) || N/A || N/A
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| Turret || 11 + 8 mm (31°) || 11 mm (8-9°) || - || -
 
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'''Note:'''<br>
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[[File:Marder III gun and MG traverse angles.png|right|thumbnail|Gun and MG horizontal displacement of the Marder III|200px]]
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'''Notes:'''
  
* Belly armour is 15 mm thick.
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* Belly armour (under the tank) is 15 mm thick.
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* Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick.
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* Aside from the front gun shield, there is no armoured encasement for the gunner and loader crew members.
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* The vehicle is so lightly armoured that it is extremely vulnerable to artillery strikes, plane strafings, ramming attacks and light machine gun fire.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp=227|rbMinHp=142}}
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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Which modules to unlock first:
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* Parts and FPE - Mandatory first 2 upgrades, to aid in your survival.
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* Modules related to gun accuracy and targeting quality: Horizontal Drive, Adjustment of Fire & Elevation Mechanism.
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* Modules related to mobility: Tracks, Suspension, Brake System, Filters, Engine, Transmission.
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* Smoke grenade and Crew Replenishment, to increase your survivability.
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* Research the shells last, the stock shell offering the best post-penetration damage.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
{{main|PaK 36(r) (76 mm)}}
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[[File:Marder III gun and MG traverse angles.png|right|thumbnail|Gun and MG horizontal displacement of the Marder III|200px]]
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{{main|PaK36 (r) (76 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="6" | [[PaK 36(r) (76 mm)|76 mm PaK 36(r)]]
 
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
 
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -6°/+18° || ±10° || N/A
 
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
|-
 
! style="width:4em" |Mode
 
! style="width:4em" |Stock
 
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
|-
 
| ''Arcade'' || 10.57 || 14.63 || 17.76 || 19.63 || 20.89
 
 
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| ''Realistic'' || 7.14 || 8.40 || 10.20 || 11.28 || 12.00
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! colspan="5" | [[PaK36 (r) (76 mm)|76 mm PaK36 (r)]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! ''Arcade''
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±10° || rowspan="2" | - || 10.6 || 14.6 || 17.8 || 19.6 || 20.9 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 5.75 || rowspan="2" | 5.30 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
 
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| 9.23 || 8.16 || 7.52 || 7.10
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! ''Realistic''
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| 7.1 || 8.4 || 10.2 || 11.3 || 12.0
 
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|}
 
|}
  
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==== Ammunition ====
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{{:PaK36 (r) (76 mm)/Ammunition|PzGr 39 rot, Hl.Gr 38C, PzGr 40, Sprgr. 39}}
  
===== Ammunition =====
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
 
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! 10m
 
! 100m
 
! 500m
 
! 1000m
 
! 1500m
 
! 2000m
 
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| PzGr 39 rot || APCBC || 138 || 135 || 124 || 112 || 101 || 91
 
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| Hl.Gr 38C || HEAT || 100 || 100 || 100 || 100 || 100 || 100
 
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| PzGr 40 || APCR || 189 || 188 || 165 || 139 || 117 || 99
 
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| Sprgr. 39 || HE ||9||9||9||9||9||9
 
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
! colspan="11" | Shell details
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
 
! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
 
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
 
''in m:''
 
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
 
''in mm:''
 
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
 
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
 
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
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! 0%
 
! 50%
 
! 100%
 
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| PzGr 39 rot || APCBC || 740 || 7.6 || 1.2 || 25 || 34 || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
 
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| Hl.Gr 38C || HEAT || 450 || 5.1 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 875.5 || +0° || 62° || 69° || 73°
 
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| PzGr 40 || APCR || 990 || 4.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 66° || 70° || 72°
 
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| Sprgr. 39 || HE || 550 || 6.3 || 0.2 || 0.5 || 585 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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|}
 
 
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
 
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
 
 
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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'''Notes:'''
  
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* Turret "cheeks" empty (racks 1 & 2 empty): 25&nbsp;''(+5)'' shells.
* Turret "cheeks" empty (racks 1 & 2 empty): 25&nbsp;''(+5)''.
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* Right flank empty of shells (racks 1 to 5 empty): 12&nbsp;''(+18)'' shells.
* Right flank empty of shells (racks 1 to 5 empty): 12&nbsp;''(+18)''.
 
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
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{{main|MG37(t) (7.92 mm)}}
 
{{main|MG37(t) (7.92 mm)}}
  
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! colspan="5" | [[MG37(t) (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm MG37(t)]]
 
! colspan="5" | [[MG37(t) (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm MG37(t)]]
 
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! Mount
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
! Capacity (Belt)
 
! Fire rate
 
! Vertical
 
! Horizontal
 
 
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| Hull || 1,200 (200) || 769 shots/minute || -11°/+20° || ±10°
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| Hull || 1,200 (200) || 769 || ±10° || ±10°
 
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== Usage in the battles ==
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== Usage in battles ==
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;Offensive role
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The {{PAGENAME}} should be played as a long range sniper, taking advantage of the APCBC shell's high penetration values, high gun accuracy and good mobility. Find a shooting spot and engage targets from at least 1,000 m away to prevent enemy progress towards the objectives. You will also suppress enemy fire to prevent your team from being pinned down by enemy snipers attempting the same in return. Because of your weak armour and open turret, always stay away from the frontline to avoid being flanked or swarmed and thus maximise your chances of survival. When engaging enemy tanks, prioritise firing hull-down from behind cover. With such firepower, any enemy wandering in your sight alone is practically dead. A flanking enemy, artillery strikes or CAS will be the greatest threats to the {{PAGENAME}}.
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;Defensive role
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In case of an enemy breakthrough, your role is to contain the enemy advance by pinning them down. The enemy will be moving the front line, so engagements will take place at a closer range than you're comfortable with. You should identify and target in priority choke points, narrow passages and corridors of the map that the enemy will be forced to take. Your limited gun traverse still allows you to monitor an area spanning 350 m at 1,000 m distance without having to reposition your hull.
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;Other roles
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If you try to use the {{PAGENAME}} in a different role on the battlefield, you will be confronting with the following:
  
The Marder III is a stereotypical glass support cannon at its BR of 2.7. It can deal with most opposition it sees even in full uptiers rather comfortably. However, dealing with heavily sloped armour will be a struggle as while the vertical penetration of the best shell, PzGr 39 rot, seem impressive, it can only penetrate 47 mm point-blank at a 60 degree angle of attack. This means against tanks with sloped front armour like the common M4 Sherman and T-34, and especially if those tank compound angles their front armour, the PzGr 39 rot will more than likely bounce off and so the Marder III will need to properly aim for a penetration. However, against many other contemporary tanks of the battle rating, the Marder III will do just fine, and especially against tanks with flatter armour angles like the Cromwells, Valentines, and Churchills.
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* If you try to play the {{PAGENAME}} as a front-line tank, you will be quickly disabled by any type of fire coming from enemy tanks. Your armour is extremely thin and your open turret crew is very exposed to MG fire, artillery strike, HE shells blast or ramming attacks. Your turning speed is also too poor to manoeuvre quickly enough in close combat.
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* If you attempt to play support tank, your poor reverse speed will make it difficult for you to overextend. Your high profile will make it difficult to stay hidden behind obstacles without taking fire. The enemy will flush you out with artillery strike (which can be accurate enough from middle ranges to disable you). Even with an escape route planned and cover to hide behind, your chances of survival are meagre. You will also be at risk of being flanked by light tanks or armoured cars, especially if they swarm you. Anyone who manages to get behind you has a very high chance to destroy you, even with just machine gun fire.
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;Notable enemies:
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* Any tank will disable you with little effort in a close range encounter because of your weak armour.
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* For long range engagements, T-34s & M4s are the enemies most likely to bounce your shell if they are properly angling from a distance.
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;Defeating a {{PAGENAME}}
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* If you are alone, flanking a {{PAGENAME}} undetected remains your best chance to destroy it. But it is difficult because the Marder positions itself very far from the frontline.
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* Force the {{PAGENAME}} out of position with indirect fire (artillery strikes) if you're at relative close range.
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* The most suitable shells to deal with a Marder are HE, HEAT or Shrapnel shells.
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* In case of a frontal attack (choke point/corridor), try blinding the {{PAGENAME}} with smoke and then swarm it with several tanks to saturate its defensive capacities. A barrage of MG fire is very likely to make a {{PAGENAME}} retreat and relocate.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Relatively good HE filler in APCBC rounds
 
* Relatively good HE filler in APCBC rounds
 
* Average hull armour of 50 mm
 
* Average hull armour of 50 mm
* Capable of penetrating all tanks frontally at its BR range (1.7-3.7)
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* Capable of penetrating all tanks frontally at its BR range
 
* High capacity spotting machine gun in the hull
 
* High capacity spotting machine gun in the hull
  
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* Very thin gun shield for the gun crew
 
* Very thin gun shield for the gun crew
 
* Open top vehicle, gunner and loader can be easily machine-gunned
 
* Open top vehicle, gunner and loader can be easily machine-gunned
* Vehicle can be hull broken
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* Prone to destruction by overpressure
 
* Will struggle against heavily sloped armour due to penetration drop-off with increasing angle-of-attack
 
* Will struggle against heavily sloped armour due to penetration drop-off with increasing angle-of-attack
  
 
== History ==
 
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===Development===
 
===Development===
After the start of ''Operation Barbarossa'', the Wehrmacht found a very dire problem of the lack of a mobile anti-tank system and adequate anti-tank weapons, especially after the appearance of the Soviet [[T-34 (1941)|T-34]] and [[KV-1 (L-11)|KV-1]] tanks. The only mass-issued anti-tank was the fairly weak 37 mm Pak 36 and the only mobile anti-tank system widely used was the ''Panzerjäger I'' with the Czech 47 mm anti-tank gun. Modifications to current vehicles in service was done to put more self-propelled anti-tank weapons into service, which created the ''Marder I'' from the French Lorraine, the ''Marder II'' from the [[Pz.II F|Panzer IIs]], and the '''Marder III''' from the Czech [[Pz.38(t) F|Panzer 38(t)]].
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After the start of Operation Barbarossa, the Wehrmacht found a very dire problem of the lack of a mobile anti-tank system and adequate anti-tank weapons, especially after the appearance of the Soviet [[T-34 (1941)|T-34]] and [[KV-1 (L-11)|KV-1]] tanks. The only mass-issued anti-tank was the fairly weak 37 mm Pak 36 and the only mobile anti-tank system widely used was the Panzerjäger I with the Czech 47 mm anti-tank gun. Modifications to current vehicles in service was done to put more self-propelled anti-tank weapons into service, which created the Marder I from the French Lorraine, the Marder II from the [[Pz.II F|Panzer IIs]], and the '''Marder III''' from the Czech [[Pz.38(t) F|Panzer 38(t)]].
  
 
===Specifications===
 
===Specifications===
The Marder III, with the rest of the ''Marder'' series, gave Germany forces a self-propelled gun mounting a better gun than what was available on German tanks, such as the 75 mm Pak 40 or captured Soviet 76.2 mm guns chambered for the Pak 40 ammo. All of the ''Marders'' share a lack of armour for the crew, the top and rear of the vehicle is left exposed to mortar, shrapnel, or infantry weapons. This weakness is mitigated with the fact that the ''Marders'' are supposed to be anti-tank motor carriages that are to ambush incoming enemy tanks.
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The Marder III, with the rest of the Marder series, gave Germany forces a self-propelled gun mounting a better gun than what was available on German tanks, such as the 75 mm Pak 40 or captured Soviet 76.2 mm guns chambered for the Pak 40 ammo. All of the Marders share a lack of armour for the crew, the top and rear of the vehicle is left exposed to mortar, shrapnel, or infantry weapons. This weakness is mitigated with the fact that the Marders are supposed to be anti-tank motor carriages that are to ambush incoming enemy tanks.
  
 
The Marder III use the Panzer 38(t) as it was a design going obsolete, and lots of Soviet 76.2 mm guns were captured, so they mounted these guns onto the Panzer 38(t) first. The finished self-propelled mount had a higher silhouette than the Panzer 38(t), which left it more vulnerable, but had a rechambered 76.2 mm Pak 36(r) gun with the Pak 40 ammo and could hold 30 rounds in the vehicle. A machine gun on the hull was retained for anti-infantry purposes.
 
The Marder III use the Panzer 38(t) as it was a design going obsolete, and lots of Soviet 76.2 mm guns were captured, so they mounted these guns onto the Panzer 38(t) first. The finished self-propelled mount had a higher silhouette than the Panzer 38(t), which left it more vulnerable, but had a rechambered 76.2 mm Pak 36(r) gun with the Pak 40 ammo and could hold 30 rounds in the vehicle. A machine gun on the hull was retained for anti-infantry purposes.
  
The Marder III with a 75 mm Pak 40 gun mounted instead of the rechambered 76.2 guns was called the '''[[Marder III H|Marder III Ausf. H]]'''. Another variant created, the '''Ausf. M''', featured a lower silhouette and a better-sloped armour and fighting compartment, despite only holding 27 rounds for the mounted Pak 40. A total of 3,472 Marder IIIs and its version was created or converted from Panzer 38(t) during its production life.
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The Marder III with a 75 mm Pak 40 gun mounted instead of the rechambered 76.2 guns was called the [[Marder III H|Marder III Ausf. H]]. Another variant created, the Ausf. M, featured a lower silhouette and a better-sloped armour and fighting compartment, despite only holding 27 rounds for the mounted Pak 40. A total of 3,472 Marder IIIs and its version was created or converted from Panzer 38(t) during its production life.
  
 
===Combat usage===
 
===Combat usage===
 
The Marder III fought on all front of the war, being produced from 1942 to 1945, with 2,080 Marder III with the 76.2 mm gun converted and produced. Using the tested design of the Panzer 38(t), the Marder III experienced a reliable mechanical history and has a gun that could take out most allied tanks in the war. The vulnerability to the crew due to lack of armour was its most pressing issue, with only a front shield plate at most 15 mm thick and side plates that can't enclose the crew. This makes it as very poor assault vehicles or tank substitutes as the open top could allow infantry to easily kill the crew from hidden areas, despite that, it is sometimes repurposed to this role to the chagrin of the crew.
 
The Marder III fought on all front of the war, being produced from 1942 to 1945, with 2,080 Marder III with the 76.2 mm gun converted and produced. Using the tested design of the Panzer 38(t), the Marder III experienced a reliable mechanical history and has a gun that could take out most allied tanks in the war. The vulnerability to the crew due to lack of armour was its most pressing issue, with only a front shield plate at most 15 mm thick and side plates that can't enclose the crew. This makes it as very poor assault vehicles or tank substitutes as the open top could allow infantry to easily kill the crew from hidden areas, despite that, it is sometimes repurposed to this role to the chagrin of the crew.
  
As its production was underway, Germany already had a few self-propelled assault weapons being produced such as the [[StuG III F|StuG III]] that could have the same anti-tank capabilities, yet was fully-armoured, enclosing the crew in adequate armour. This obvious advantage over the open ''Marder'' series encouraged the development of a new kind of tank destroyer from the Panzer 38(t) with better armour, which will eventually create the [[Jagdpanzer 38(t)|Jagdpanzer 38(t)]]. Despite that, the ''Marders'' continued to serve to the end of the war.
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As its production was underway, Germany already had a few self-propelled assault weapons being produced such as the [[StuG III F|StuG III]] that could have the same anti-tank capabilities, yet was fully-armoured, enclosing the crew in adequate armour. This obvious advantage over the open Marder series encouraged the development of a new kind of tank destroyer from the Panzer 38(t) with better armour, which will eventually create the [[Jagdpanzer 38(t)|Jagdpanzer 38(t)]]. Despite that, the Marders continued to serve to the end of the war.
  
=== In-game description ===
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An antitank vehicle designed on the basis of the Pz.38(t) tank by the BMM company (formerly ChKD) by installing a 76.2mm F-22 division cannon on the chassis of a captured Soviet tank that had been modified by German engineers. The impetus for building this platform was the fact that in 1941 it became clear on the Eastern Front that the Wehrmacht did not have the means to fight Soviet heavy tanks. At the time, the captured 76.2mm F-22 division cannon was able to fight these tanks, so they decided to install it on the reliable frame of the Pz.38(t). BMM produced 344 of these antitank vehicles.
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This page is about the German tank destroyer Marder III. For the other version III, see Marder III H.
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Marder III
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Description

The Marder III (Sd.Kfz. Index: Sd.Kfz. 139) was a modified Pz.38(t) up-gunned with captured Russian 76.2 mm field guns rechambered with the munition of the PaK 40 as a self-propelled anti-tank gun, adding significant firepower among self-propelled battalions. It was primarily decided to be built due to the increase of heavier Russian targets such as the KV-1 and T-34 as the German anti-tank tools in early Barbarossa failed to deal with these targets.

It was introduced in Update 1.43. Being a field gun strapped onto a light tank hull, it offers little protection to the crew, but this is compensated by the firepower the Marder does offer with its dangerous gun. It provides an excellent sniper vehicle to support the team at longer ranges, and to crack open heavier targets the rest of the team can't deal with.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull50 / 15 / 15
Turret11 / 11 / 0
Crew4 people
Visibility88 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides (Slope angle) Rear Roof
Hull 50 mm (19°) Front plate
12 mm (74°) Front glacis
50 mm (13°) Lower glacis
16 mm Upper
15 mm Lower
15 mm 12 mm
Turret 11 + 8 mm (31°) 11 mm (8-9°) - -
Gun and MG horizontal displacement of the Marder III

Notes:

  • Belly armour (under the tank) is 15 mm thick.
  • Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick.
  • Aside from the front gun shield, there is no armoured encasement for the gunner and loader crew members.
  • The vehicle is so lightly armoured that it is extremely vulnerable to artillery strikes, plane strafings, ramming attacks and light machine gun fire.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB47 / 7 km/h
RB and SB43 / 7 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight11.3 t
Engine power
AB305 hp
RB and SB160 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB27.0 hp/t
RB and SB14.2 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 47 7 11.3 227 305 20.09 26.99
Realistic 43 7 142 160 12.57 14.16

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB300 → 389 Sl icon.png
RB330 → 428 Sl icon.png
SB408 → 529 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications5 990 Rp icon.png
4 510 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost410 Ge icon.png
Crew training1 800 Sl icon.png
Experts6 300 Sl icon.png
Aces75 Ge icon.png
Research Aces135 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
20 / 30 / 40 % Sl icon.png
106 / 106 / 106 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
230 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
970 Rp icon.png
Cost:
730 Sl icon.png
185 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
970 Rp icon.png
Cost:
730 Sl icon.png
185 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Research:
400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods tank reinforcement ger.png
Crew Replenishment
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
230 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Research:
400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
76mm_ger_pak36r_HEAT_ammo_pack
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
76mm_ger_pak36r_APCR_ammo_pack
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
230 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
230 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
230 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png

Which modules to unlock first:

  • Parts and FPE - Mandatory first 2 upgrades, to aid in your survival.
  • Modules related to gun accuracy and targeting quality: Horizontal Drive, Adjustment of Fire & Elevation Mechanism.
  • Modules related to mobility: Tracks, Suspension, Brake System, Filters, Engine, Transmission.
  • Smoke grenade and Crew Replenishment, to increase your survivability.
  • Research the shells last, the stock shell offering the best post-penetration damage.

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition30 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
6.5 → 5.0 s
Vertical guidance-6° / 18°
Horizontal guidance-10° / 10°
Main article: PaK36 (r) (76 mm)
76 mm PaK36 (r) Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 30 -6°/+18° ±10° - 10.6 14.6 17.8 19.6 20.9 6.50 5.75 5.30 5.00
Realistic 7.1 8.4 10.2 11.3 12.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PzGr 39 rot APCBC 138 135 124 112 101 91
Hl.Gr 38C HEAT 100 100 100 100 100 100
PzGr 40 APCR 182 178 160 140 122 107
Sprgr. 39 HE 9 9 9 9 9 9
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
PzGr 39 rot APCBC 710 7.6 1.2 14 34 48° 63° 71°
Hl.Gr 38C HEAT 450 5.05 0 0.1 875.5 62° 69° 73°
PzGr 40 APCR 990 4.15 - - - 66° 70° 72°
Sprgr. 39 HE 550 6.25 0 0.1 585 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
7th
rack empty
8th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
30 28 (+2) 25 (+5) 22 (+8) 17 (+13) 12 (+18) (+21) (+24) (+29) No
Ammo racks of the Marder III

Notes:

  • Turret "cheeks" empty (racks 1 & 2 empty): 25 (+5) shells.
  • Right flank empty of shells (racks 1 to 5 empty): 12 (+18) shells.

Machine guns

Ammunition1 200 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate769 shots/min
Main article: MG37(t) (7.92 mm)
7.92 mm MG37(t)
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Hull 1,200 (200) 769 ±10° ±10°

Usage in battles

Offensive role

The Marder III should be played as a long range sniper, taking advantage of the APCBC shell's high penetration values, high gun accuracy and good mobility. Find a shooting spot and engage targets from at least 1,000 m away to prevent enemy progress towards the objectives. You will also suppress enemy fire to prevent your team from being pinned down by enemy snipers attempting the same in return. Because of your weak armour and open turret, always stay away from the frontline to avoid being flanked or swarmed and thus maximise your chances of survival. When engaging enemy tanks, prioritise firing hull-down from behind cover. With such firepower, any enemy wandering in your sight alone is practically dead. A flanking enemy, artillery strikes or CAS will be the greatest threats to the Marder III.

Defensive role

In case of an enemy breakthrough, your role is to contain the enemy advance by pinning them down. The enemy will be moving the front line, so engagements will take place at a closer range than you're comfortable with. You should identify and target in priority choke points, narrow passages and corridors of the map that the enemy will be forced to take. Your limited gun traverse still allows you to monitor an area spanning 350 m at 1,000 m distance without having to reposition your hull.

Other roles

If you try to use the Marder III in a different role on the battlefield, you will be confronting with the following:

  • If you try to play the Marder III as a front-line tank, you will be quickly disabled by any type of fire coming from enemy tanks. Your armour is extremely thin and your open turret crew is very exposed to MG fire, artillery strike, HE shells blast or ramming attacks. Your turning speed is also too poor to manoeuvre quickly enough in close combat.
  • If you attempt to play support tank, your poor reverse speed will make it difficult for you to overextend. Your high profile will make it difficult to stay hidden behind obstacles without taking fire. The enemy will flush you out with artillery strike (which can be accurate enough from middle ranges to disable you). Even with an escape route planned and cover to hide behind, your chances of survival are meagre. You will also be at risk of being flanked by light tanks or armoured cars, especially if they swarm you. Anyone who manages to get behind you has a very high chance to destroy you, even with just machine gun fire.
Notable enemies
  • Any tank will disable you with little effort in a close range encounter because of your weak armour.
  • For long range engagements, T-34s & M4s are the enemies most likely to bounce your shell if they are properly angling from a distance.
Defeating a Marder III
  • If you are alone, flanking a Marder III undetected remains your best chance to destroy it. But it is difficult because the Marder positions itself very far from the frontline.
  • Force the Marder III out of position with indirect fire (artillery strikes) if you're at relative close range.
  • The most suitable shells to deal with a Marder are HE, HEAT or Shrapnel shells.
  • In case of a frontal attack (choke point/corridor), try blinding the Marder III with smoke and then swarm it with several tanks to saturate its defensive capacities. A barrage of MG fire is very likely to make a Marder III retreat and relocate.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good gun penetration
  • Powerful at all ranges
  • Relatively high forward speed
  • Relatively good HE filler in APCBC rounds
  • Average hull armour of 50 mm
  • Capable of penetrating all tanks frontally at its BR range
  • High capacity spotting machine gun in the hull

Cons:

  • Tall profile, hindering concealment ability
  • Slow turning movement
  • Very prone to falling over due to height, especially for newer players with low amounts of invested crew points towards driver
  • Very thin gun shield for the gun crew
  • Open top vehicle, gunner and loader can be easily machine-gunned
  • Prone to destruction by overpressure
  • Will struggle against heavily sloped armour due to penetration drop-off with increasing angle-of-attack

History

Development

After the start of Operation Barbarossa, the Wehrmacht found a very dire problem of the lack of a mobile anti-tank system and adequate anti-tank weapons, especially after the appearance of the Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks. The only mass-issued anti-tank was the fairly weak 37 mm Pak 36 and the only mobile anti-tank system widely used was the Panzerjäger I with the Czech 47 mm anti-tank gun. Modifications to current vehicles in service was done to put more self-propelled anti-tank weapons into service, which created the Marder I from the French Lorraine, the Marder II from the Panzer IIs, and the Marder III from the Czech Panzer 38(t).

Specifications

The Marder III, with the rest of the Marder series, gave Germany forces a self-propelled gun mounting a better gun than what was available on German tanks, such as the 75 mm Pak 40 or captured Soviet 76.2 mm guns chambered for the Pak 40 ammo. All of the Marders share a lack of armour for the crew, the top and rear of the vehicle is left exposed to mortar, shrapnel, or infantry weapons. This weakness is mitigated with the fact that the Marders are supposed to be anti-tank motor carriages that are to ambush incoming enemy tanks.

The Marder III use the Panzer 38(t) as it was a design going obsolete, and lots of Soviet 76.2 mm guns were captured, so they mounted these guns onto the Panzer 38(t) first. The finished self-propelled mount had a higher silhouette than the Panzer 38(t), which left it more vulnerable, but had a rechambered 76.2 mm Pak 36(r) gun with the Pak 40 ammo and could hold 30 rounds in the vehicle. A machine gun on the hull was retained for anti-infantry purposes.

The Marder III with a 75 mm Pak 40 gun mounted instead of the rechambered 76.2 guns was called the Marder III Ausf. H. Another variant created, the Ausf. M, featured a lower silhouette and a better-sloped armour and fighting compartment, despite only holding 27 rounds for the mounted Pak 40. A total of 3,472 Marder IIIs and its version was created or converted from Panzer 38(t) during its production life.

Combat usage

The Marder III fought on all front of the war, being produced from 1942 to 1945, with 2,080 Marder III with the 76.2 mm gun converted and produced. Using the tested design of the Panzer 38(t), the Marder III experienced a reliable mechanical history and has a gun that could take out most allied tanks in the war. The vulnerability to the crew due to lack of armour was its most pressing issue, with only a front shield plate at most 15 mm thick and side plates that can't enclose the crew. This makes it as very poor assault vehicles or tank substitutes as the open top could allow infantry to easily kill the crew from hidden areas, despite that, it is sometimes repurposed to this role to the chagrin of the crew.

As its production was underway, Germany already had a few self-propelled assault weapons being produced such as the StuG III that could have the same anti-tank capabilities, yet was fully-armoured, enclosing the crew in adequate armour. This obvious advantage over the open Marder series encouraged the development of a new kind of tank destroyer from the Panzer 38(t) with better armour, which will eventually create the Jagdpanzer 38(t). Despite that, the Marders continued to serve to the end of the war.


Archive of the in-game description

An antitank vehicle designed on the basis of the Pz.38(t) tank by the BMM company (formerly ChKD) by installing a 76.2 mm F-22 division cannon on the chassis of a captured Soviet tank that had been modified by German engineers. The impetus for building this platform was the fact that in 1941 it became clear on the Eastern Front that the Wehrmacht did not have the means to fight Soviet heavy tanks. At the time, the captured 76.2 mm F-22 division cannon was able to fight these tanks, so they decided to install it on the reliable frame of the Pz.38(t). BMM produced 344 of these antitank vehicles.


Media

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See also

External links


Germany tank destroyers
Pz. I Derivatives  Panzerjäger I
Pz. II Derivatives  15cm sIG 33 B Sfl
Pz. 38(t) Derivatives  Marder III · Marder III H · Jagdpanzer 38(t)
Pz. III Derivatives  StuG III A · StuG III F · StuG III G · StuH 42 G
Pz. IV Derivatives  Jagdpanzer IV · Panzer IV/70(A) · Panzer IV/70(V) · Dicker Max · Nashorn · Brummbär · VFW
Pz. V Derivatives  Jagdpanther G1 · Bfw. Jagdpanther G1
Pz. VI Derivatives  Sturer Emil · Elefant · Ferdinand · 38 cm Sturmmörser · Jagdtiger
Wheeled/Half-track  8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl. · Sd.Kfz.251/9 · Sd.Kfz.251/10 · Sd.Kfz.251/22 · Sd.Kfz.234/3 · Sd.Kfz.234/4 · 15 cm Pz.W.42
ATGM Carrier  RakJPz 2 · RakJPz 2 (HOT) · Wiesel 1A2
Other  Waffenträger · M109G · JPz 4-5 · Raketenautomat · VT1-2