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== Description ==
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The '''85 mm ZiS-C-53''' is a Soviet cannon that is mounted on naval vehicles in War Thunder. The weapon is equivalent to the tank-mounted [[ZiS-S-53 (85 mm)|ZiS-S-53]] on the [[T-34-85]].
  
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== Description ==
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Though the designation differ between the "S" and "C", the usage of "C" does not indicate naval usage of the cannon but instead of the phonetic similarities between Cyrillic and English translations. With the letter in the weapon's designation serving as an initial after the weapon's designer A. Savin, the "S" sound phonetically similar to "C" in the Russian alphabet.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} American light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] in the 2018 "Chronicles of World War II" that took place between the 14th of April till the 10th of May of the same year. It was obtainable by earning 6 "Chronicle awards" in ground vehicles.
 
  
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The T18E2 is an American heavy armored car built on a 8x8 suspension and features a [[M1 (57 mm)|57 mm M1]] cannon.
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=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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* {{Specs-Link|ussr_mkl_186}}
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* {{Specs-Link|ussr_mkl_186_mk85}}
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* {{Specs-Link|ussr_pr_191}}
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* {{Specs-Link|ussr_pr_191m}}
  
 
== General info ==
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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=== Available shells ===
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While the T18E2 is a heavy armored car that favors protection over mobility compared to other armored cars, it only enough protection to solidly protect it from heavy machine guns, as most anti-tank cannons at its Battle Rating have little to no problem dealing with its armor. Despite having sufficient armor to protect the crew from artillery shrapnel, the transmission located under the floor armor is very susceptible to damage from such barrages.
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Outside of armor, the vehicle carries a full complement of 5 crew members. A driver and MG gunner sit together in the forward driving compartment, while the Gunner, Loader, and Commander sit in close proximity in the rather small turret in the fighting compartment. Altogether, a well placed APHE round can be enough to knock out all of the crew members in the vehicle, but may survive multiple solid shot AP or APCR rounds, especially from the side. However, the crew and floor are relatively high off from the ground then visuals would indicate, so shots to the lower half of your lower glacis can result in only damage to the transmission.
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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'''Armor type''':
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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* Cast Homogeneous armor (Turret and Hull Front and Sides)
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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* Rolled Homogeneous armor (Hull Rear and Hull Roof)
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* Structural Steel (Fender, various boxes along the hull, vents on engine compartment)
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! 100m
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* Wheels
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! 3000m
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| 85 mm O-365K || HE || 38 || 30 || 24 || 20 || 16 || 11
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| 85 mm BR-365 || APHEBC || 132 || 112 || 193 || 77 || 65 || 55
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| 85 mm O-365K || HE || 785 || 9.54 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 741 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|51mm (0-40°) ''Lower Glacis & Upper Hull''<br>32mm+51mm (0-61°) ''Machine Gun Port''<br>38mm (10-16°) ''Driver's Port''<br>32mm (49-81°) ''Upper Glacis''<br>25mm (72-75°) ''Small Hatch on Upper Glacis''
 
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|32mm (0°) ''Side''<br>25mm (0°) ''Hatches''
 
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|25mm (0-16°) ''Main''<br>13mm (16-58°) ''Upper & Lower''
 
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|19mm ''Driving Compartment''<br>13mm (83-90°) ''Fighting/Engine compartment''
 
 
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| 85 mm BR-365 || APHEBC || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 15 || 164 || -1° || 48° || 63° || 71°
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|51mm+38mm (0-49°) ''Gun Mantlet''<br>38mm (4-30°) ''Turret Front''
 
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|38mm (0-39°)
 
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|38mm (0-33°) ''Rear''<br>25mm (10°) ''Hatch''
 
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|19mm ''Roof'' <br>13mm ''Hatches''
 
 
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* Floor armour is only 10 mm thick, though there are some area that are uparmoured by a 13 mm plate.
 
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* Turret ring armour is 25 mm thick.
 
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* Structural steel boxes and drums of 5 mm thick dot the exterior of the car, which can add some precious little armour thickness.
 
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* Wheels are 10 mm thick. The suspension mounting each two wheels together for the sponson actually grant about 13 mm of armour underneath the vehicle.
 
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The T18E2 is a very sluggish vehicle, especially compared to other armored cars. Despite its listed top speed of 80 kph (50 mph), most drivers will only see up to 65 kph (40 mph) on paved roads and 36 kph (22 mph) cross country. Even so, with its low power to weight ratio of 10.41 hp/ton (in comparison to 14.44 hp/ton of the M3 Lee), it takes a while for it to reach these speeds. Best stick to paved roads when you can if you need to be somewhere quick and avoid muddy terrain altogether like that found at White Rock Fortress, where mud can drag your speed down to as low as 8 kph (5 mph), leaving you vulnerable.
 
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The T18E2 also possesses a very high top reverse speed of 20mph, though again because of its low acceleration, will take some time to possibly reach this. However, in comparison to other tanks, the reverse acceleration and eventual speed is still acceptable for quick retreats. This can even migrate the fact that the vehicle requires a large turn radius if the vehicle needs to turn around.
 
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== Armaments ==
 
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=== Main armament ===
 
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=== Machine guns ===
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=== Comparison with analogues ===
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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Though this is an armored car, this is best played as a tank destroyer, as the gun is arguably the best feature on this tank. Best stay behind allies who can soak up damage while you dish out damage behind them.
 
  
 
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* Quick firing 57mm cannon that it can fire as quick as 4 seconds with a highly trained crew
 
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* High penetration APHE shell can make short work of foes
 
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* Large ready-rack of 24 shells
 
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* Good speeds can be reached on paved roads
 
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* Armor will protect it from heavy machine guns from nearly any angle
 
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* Carries a bomb launcher, able to shoot up to 14 smoke grenades
 
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* Slows down substantially when crossing muddy terrain or deep snow
 
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* Very sluggish acceleration, will take a while to reach best speeds
 
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* [[ZiS-S-53 (85 mm)]]: Tank-mounted version of the 85 mm weapon.
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* [[90-K (85 mm)]]: Anti-air variant of the 85 mm mounted on the [[MPK-163]].
  
 
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[[Category:Naval cannons]]

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Description

The 85 mm ZiS-C-53 is a Soviet cannon that is mounted on naval vehicles in War Thunder. The weapon is equivalent to the tank-mounted ZiS-S-53 on the T-34-85.

Though the designation differ between the "S" and "C", the usage of "C" does not indicate naval usage of the cannon but instead of the phonetic similarities between Cyrillic and English translations. With the letter in the weapon's designation serving as an initial after the weapon's designer A. Savin, the "S" sound phonetically similar to "C" in the Russian alphabet.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.

Available shells

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
100m 1000m 2000m 3000m 4000m 5000m
85 mm O-365K HE 38 30 24 20 16 11
85 mm BR-365 APHEBC 132 112 193 77 65 55
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
85 mm O-365K HE 785 9.54 0.0 0.1 741 +0° 79° 80° 81°
85 mm BR-365 APHEBC 792 9.2 1.2 15 164 -1° 48° 63° 71°

Comparison with analogues

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Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

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Pros:

Cons:

History

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Media

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See also

External links

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USSR naval cannons
20 mm  ShVAK
25 mm  2M-3
30 mm  AK-230 · 30 mm/54 AK-630 · BP "Plamya"
37 mm  37 mm/67 70-K · V-11
45 mm  45 mm/46 21-K · 45 mm/68 21-KM · 45 mm/89 SM-20-ZIF · 45 mm/89 SM-21-ZIF
57 mm  AK-725
75 mm  75 mm/50 Canet patt.1892
76 mm  34-K · 39-K · 76 mm/60 AK-176M · AK-726 · D-56TS · F-34 · Lender AA gun, pattern 1914/15
85 mm  85 mm/52 92-K · 85 mm/54.6 ZIS-C-53 · 90-K
100 mm  100 mm/56 B-34 · 100 mm/70 SM-5-1 · Minizini
102 mm  Pattern 1911
120 mm  120 mm/50 pattern 1905
130 mm  130 mm/55 pattern 1913 · 130 mm/58 SM-2-1 · B-13
152 mm  152 mm/57 B-38
180 mm  180 mm/57 B-1-P · 180 mm/60 B-1-K
305 mm  12-inch/52 pattern 1907 · 305 mm/54 B-50
  Foreign:
40 mm  2pdr QF Mk.IIc (Britain) · Skoda (Czechoslovakia)
47 mm  3 pdr QF Hotchkiss (Britain)
76 mm  76 mm/40 Ansaldo mod.1917 (Italy)
88 mm  SK C/30 (Germany)
120 mm  120 mm/50 Mk.4 Bofors M1924 (Sweden) · 120 mm/50 O.T.O. Mod.1933 (Italy)
152 mm  152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (Italy)
320 mm  320 mm/44 Ansaldo model 1934 (Italy)

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