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==What is the wiki share program (WSP)==
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{{Specs-Card|code=fr_lorraine_155}}
  
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===Rewards===
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== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]].
  
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===How does this work===
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== General info ==
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
  
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===Apply here===
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'''Armour type:'''
  
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===Questions & Answers===
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Structural steel
  
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==The grade of excellent== 
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In this grade, called excellent this is what we are aiming for you to achieve.  Let's start with the grade of excellent:  
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
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'''Notes:'''
  
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* What is and makes an excellent play-style.
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
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* What is expected to achieve the grade of excellent.  
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* The main difference between Excellent and good grades.  
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* Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
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* Recommendations to help you achieve the grade of excellent.
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.
  
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==== Lets talk about the grade of excellent ====
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=== Mobility ===
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===== What is and makes an excellent play-style: =====   
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Based on one of the examples below, we explore the AH-1Z Viper example, this is an example of  what is expected as an excellent grade. It is mission critical that in this grade the play-style be portrayed the information written is very clear, to the point, identifies the environment the vehicle can operate in, provides a clear oversight of how it is intended to be played in battle and makes the reader want to continue reading it. In general it must focus on; how the vehicle can be played, used in specific game modes such as combined battles and what can be expected and how to do it. It also must have a general guide on how it plays in conventional battles.     
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 639|rbMinHp= 398}}
  
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===== What is expected to achieve the grade of excellent: =====
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
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In-order to achieve this grade, you must be clear, direct, non-bias and in third person, that means no "I". The ideal mindset is to think along the lines of: If you where to get your friend to play it, what and how would you do in order to recommend it to them.  
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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| ''Arcade'' || 5.27 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.57 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.64 || 6.0
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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| 26.0 || 23.0 || 21.2 || 20.0
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In-order to do this 1) you must, be neutral, learn what it can and cannot do. So it is very important that you are clear and objective when doing it.  
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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| M107 || HE || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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! 100%
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 43.1 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 6,860 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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| M110 || 563 || 40.8 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
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Find out what it can and cannot do by playing it, recall what happens and how it  differentiates in each game modes such as: Handling, Reloading, Ammo choices, etc. Such as Arcade and Realistic battles.   
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===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|right|thumbnail|x250px|Ammo racks of the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
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! 2nd<br />  rack empty
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! 3rd<br />  rack empty
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! 4th<br />  rack empty
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! 5th<br />  rack empty
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! 6th<br /> rack empty
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! 7th <br /> rack empty
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! 8th <br /> rack empty
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|| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27 ''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' ||6&nbsp;''(+24)''||1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| style="text-align:left" | No
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It is also expected that additional elements such as, Pros & cons, Armaments, Performance information should be added, if it is missing from the page. 
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'''Notes:'''
  
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===== The main difference between Excellent and good grades =====
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* Recommended ammo load: '''10'''.  ''Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.''
  
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=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
  
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*Familiarise yourself with other vehicles with the BR brackets of which it can face.
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*How can you do this by creating a strategy, a plan.
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Well they are simple, to the point and are a summary of that vehicle.
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What is meant by this? well for a '''pro''' it is the vehicle competitive advantage and for a '''con''' it is the competitive disadvantage of that vehicle.
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*Can carry up to 16 TOW ATGMs (TOW-2 with modification)
 
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*Flares
 
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*One of the fastest helicopters in the game
 
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*Can carry air-to-air missiles to take down aircraft
 
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*Excellent ground attack capabilities.
 
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*Weak airframe can be taken down even by roof-mounted MGs from enemy tanks.
 
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*Cannon fodder for dedicated SPAAGs
 
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*Very slow, easy target for SPAAs and aircraft
 
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*Priority target for the enemy team as you are extremely dangerous
 
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==== Excellent: play-style examples  ====
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== Usage in battles ==
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In this area examples of excellent play-styles are provided for each class.
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
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The AH-1Z is an attack helicopter, it does this role very well, in-fact it is one of the best attack helicopters in the game, with speed up to 411 Km/h (255 MPH). The AH-1Z offers a large array of ordnance selections, from Miniguns, Rockets, TOW, TOW-2 and Hellfire missiles.  In addition, the AH-1Z Can carry a combination of missiles, rockets or mini-guns together.
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.  
  
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To utilise the AH-1Z viper, make sure to adjust the tactics to the map, for example maps, with rocks and hilly terrain, stay low and use it as cover whilst you get to into a position which will allow you to dominate the battlefield.  For maps which are open and flat, climb to a high altitude and assess the situation, just make sure to scan the map and not get fixed on a location.
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However, the AH-1F does have one drawback, due to the increase in size changes to the center of gravity in high pitch and tight turns, it possible to lose control. It is advisable to always counteract by keeping the noise of the helicopter level or to lessen the turn radius. If required to do one, such as evading surface to air missiles, make sure that there is enough room to recover the helicopter in – ideally at least 1000 feet and make sure to increase the pitch of the blades to a 100% adjust for yawing.
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The AH-1Z has the BGM-71 TOW and BGM-71 TOW-2 ATGM missile systems which perform very well. The BGM-71 TOW-2. The BGM-71 TOW-2 is faster than the BGM-71 TOW And in addition it contains a higher explosive amount. Nevertheless, both versions of the TOW missile system are able to be very decisive in combat, it is ideal to use the BGM-71 TOW-2 system over the BGM-71 TOW since it is a better system, due to its higher explosive and speed. 
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It can carry up to 16 TOW or TOW-2 missiles, that is enough lethality to terminate up to 16 emery units. The TOW missiles work in the same way as on the other series of cobra attack helicopters, they are able to hit, fast and hard. Combined with the speed of the AH-1Z, these make a lethal combination. The AH-1Z can find a great tactical location, engage the targets and knock them out of the fight without them even knowing.
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An AH-1Z also can carry additional ordnances which are wing mounted only, these are rocket pods & machine guns or a combination of Hellfire’s, TOW’s, Rockets & machine guns. The rockets are standard FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets which are equipped on the version of the cobra’s and hugey helicopters. A good choice of combined ordnance are Mighty mouse and TOWs or just mighty mouse. That way you can increase the engagement range when you are flying in combat after consuming all the tow missiles or getting at close range and blasting the enemy with mighty mouse rockets which will cause a lot of damage and could destroy up to 76 enemy units 
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An AH-1Z Viper, offers a unique capabilities compared to any other helicopter on the battlefield! It can be equipped with sidewinder air to air missiles.  The sidewinder missiles provide great capacity to shoot down up to two enemy aircraft. They can shoot down other rotary-wing aircraft (helicopters) or fixed-wing aircraft (airplanes). The missiles can also be equipped with the additional payloads, such as hellfire, tow missile, machine gun and rocket pod configurations, providing a versatile offensive and defensive solution.
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The AH-1Z can outmanoeuvre and can outperform, many of the rivals in air to air combat. The AH-1Z has a triple rotary m197 cannon with 750 rounds. Combined with a twin 7.62 mm M134 Minigun machine gun, which also has 1500 Rounds per gun. That’s 3000 rounds plus the 750 rounds that’s 3750 Rounds of ammunition! Then the wing mounted AIM-9L sidewinder missiles which are installed on both wings.
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=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
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<blockquote>'''<big>Usage in battles</big>'''</blockquote>The IS-7, similarly to the rest of the IS line, should be played as a breakthrough tank, taking advantage of its extreme durability, and avoiding long-range engagements where its shells simply lose effectiveness. With upwards of 450mm of effective armour in places, there’s no need to shy away from taking on almost any opponent.
 
  
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The IS-7's extremely thick and well-sloped armour means that the player can comfortably engage multiple threats at once without fear of being penetrated through the sides of his/her turret. With a heightened awareness and a good sense of targeting priority, a well-rounded IS-7 player can swiftly clear out entire enemy squads with ease.
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
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* Decent mobility
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The IS-7 is capable of destroying almost any machine on the battlefield and should have no qualms about combatting anything on the right terms. However, it’s best to be wary of tanks with ATGMs, high-penetration HEAT, large-calibre HESH and anything with APFSDS, as they are able to disable you, often through your frontal plate. Also be wary of any tanks with two plane stabilisers, as the IS-7s main armament is not stabilised in any way and must be stopped before it can fire accurately.<blockquote><big>'''Fighting the IS-7'''</big></blockquote>[[File:IS7 mantlet weakspot.jpg|thumb|If you don't have any powerful chemical warhead, or just got suddenly attacked by IS-7 point-blank, the highlighted weak spot on the bottom of the turret your only real hope, since you won't have time to look for any others. APDS or other strong shells with the power of ~280 mm should be able to breach the 250 mm thick mantlet bottom even if it's a bit angled, potentially destroying horizontal and vertical turret drives as well as cannon breach. After that you should rush IS-7 down and destroy it ASAP, as it shouldn't be able to use it's gun and turret anymore.]]'''General tactic''':
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It’s best to avoid taking the IS-7 on if it stands any chance of firing back - it’s very likely that if it gets a shot off, it will be able to destroy your vehicle. Try to disable the gun, or if behind or to the sides, attempt to take out the ammo - the primary store is in the back of the turret, with excess ammunition stored in the upper sides of the hull and beside the driver, as well as a small stash right below the gun breech. If forced to engage the IS-7 from the front, attempt to fire through the turret optic (just above and to the right of the gun when looking at the front), as this is your best opportunity to disable the gunner and the breech. Shooting from an angle significantly reduces the amount of effective armour your shells have to penetrate. The IS-7 can be vulnerable to trap shots or high-calibre HE rounds above the driver’s port, although it does have significantly more armour there than the IS-3. Powerful ATGM's can easily breach hull armour and potentially take out 3 crew members, or explode excessive ammo near to tank's front.
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
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* Large profile
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
  
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IS-7 can easily destroy your entire team with little to no effort, so if you see one, you should immediately start planning your attack or escape route. Firstly, if you can't just attack it with your entire squad, you want it to be alone. Secondly, start predicting where it's going to go, so you can get the advantage of the first attack. Some urban environment with enough cover to sneak up on it and enough space to drive around it is perfect. After that, use your tools of choice:
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''Smoke and cannon'': To make this tactic easier, it's best to ask your scout ally (usually light tank) to "Scout" it constantly if they can. Use smoke shells to completely blind IS-7 and get as close to it as possible. Avoid being hit by numerous machine guns, as it will try to use it to detect you or destroy your scout buddy. Do not drive in a straight line after shooting smoke shells. After getting close, it's advisable to drop even more smokes (the hull mounted ones or the engine exhaust system works perfect, as you don't really have a lot of time), just to make sure that his teammates won't be able to stop you, then try to find out it's rear and set its engine on fire. After that, keep circling around it, setting it on fire and keeping the smoke screen up, or find it's turret's back and destroy the tank with a single well placed shot.[[File:IS7 takedown.gif|thumb|720x720px|As an example of all the attack methods, we will use this 8.3 battle rating fight. Firstly, IS7 got antagonized by another IS7 and M70A1 (AOS) which counts as '''overkill''' and '''heavy numbers'''. '''SPAA''' used this opening to flank it and break its tracks. Since it's lightly armoured, APHE didn't detonate. IS-7 didn't expect such trickery and didn't even bother to fire its HMG. Being outnumbered 3 to 1, it '''drops''' '''smokes''', which was a mistake, since it only helps IS-7s enemies to get even closer, while SPAA returns to distract it and damage every MG it has, now in range, where it can circle around it safely. By the time that smoke disappeared, IS-7 got damaged by SPAA's teammates, and it finishes the tank off by unloading APDS magazine into the back of the turret point-blank.]]''Overkill'': If you are a proud owner of FV4005, Type 60 ATM, Sturmpanzer 2, M50 Ontos, FV 4004 Conway, BMP-1 (AB), and some other vehicles with weapons that have extreme overkill potential (usually at the cost of all the mobility and/or all armour), this is your time to shine. Aim for the weak spots, or simply fire at the left side of the hull (for you it's on the right if the tank is in front of you), depending on your weapon type. If IS-7 has full ammo loadout, it will most definitely explode. In type 60 ATM's case, you can even drop ATGM right on top of its roof or swing it into the side of the turret. Since it's not completely round, unlike most Soviet designs, it has lesser bounce chance.
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''Strength in numbers'': Send someone to bait and stall IS-7, while rest are going to flank or simply rush it down. Despite being nearly invulnerable from the front, it may easily explode, when multiple tanks fire at its '''sides''' at less than 30° angle. Ideally, you want to send something like T95 or another extremely armoured tank as bait (or even another IS-7 in AB), so foe can't simply destroy it without putting an effort, but if there is none such tanks, sacrifices must be made. Unless...
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{{Youtube-gallery|YZtAEsSpwNM|'''The Shooting Range #96''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.|_xCgMBOiA8U|'''High-explosive power''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:50 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
  
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''Combat SPAA'': This may sound absurd, but IS-7 can easily be doomed by SPAA. SPAA can easily use some cover to attack it's exposed track with cannons, making moving IS-7 topple over, then destroy second track, to immobilize it. Even if IS-7 fires back at it, APHE is going to over penetrate, if it's armour is less than 15mm. After that, someone can be called in to make a clean side shot (about 170 mm penetration required for sides). In case if SPAA is combat-capable and has APDS shells with 110 mm of penetration, it can try to get behind the turret, while breaking every MG with autocannons, to execute it personally. If IS-7 is aware of your intentions and keeps tracking SPAA with the turret, just set the vehicle on fire by damaging the engine, the foe will have to extinguish the fire eventually or face consequences.
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The Abrams main strength its its extreme mobility, even by MBT standards. However, the price comes in protection; the Abrams is quite vulnerable, and struggles to deflect incoming shells with anything except its turret cheeks. Additionally, The M1 has somewhat sub-par penetration even with its best shell. Because of these factors, it is recommended that you do not use this tank as a front line brawler. Instead, use your speed to quickly appear from angles your opponents are not expecting you to come from. This can take the form of flanking in order to get side shots, Rushing at the start of the game to take an advantageous position, or getting to choke points before the enemy does, in order to be ready to knock them out. Essentially, This tank should be played much like the M18 Hellcat at Rank III, though unlike the Hellcat it is not impossible for your armour to help you occasionally.
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In realistic battles, the Type 90 continues the traditional Japanese roles of fire support, sniping, and flanking. You can use this vehicle to rush down the center of the map with its speed allowing it to quickly engage and disengage enemies, negating the downsides of the subpar armor by simply not being hit. With a five second reload time for the cannon, and a high-penetration round, it should only take 5-15 seconds to finish of an enemy tank. Through utilizing the terrain by using suspension to hide the chassis when peeking, and angling armor in a way to force enemies to hit your armored turret, the Type 90 can be a very powerful glass cannon in a battle.
 
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The F8F-1B is truly a worthy aircraft to end the single engine fighter line of the USN branch. Nimble, fast and with great acceleration, it is sight of fear for the foe's eye! Most of its enemies will be jets and they will shiver as the Bearcat faces them with a 2km altitude (and sometimes) and speed advantage! With WEP running (<nowiki>'''</nowiki>W<nowiki>'''</nowiki>ar <nowiki>'''</nowiki>E<nowiki>'''</nowiki>mergency <nowiki>'''</nowiki>P<nowiki>'''</nowiki>ower, includes ADI(Water-Methanol Injection) for the big and hungry 2300hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp) there is no propeller driven aircraft that can out climb it. When maximized, the climb rate is well over 35 m/s. However, without "radiator" researched, the engine tends to overheat.  
 
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Revision as of 21:48, 15 August 2020

Lorraine 155 Mle.50
fr_lorraine_155.png
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
France flag.png France
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.3 4.3 4.3
Class:
PREMIUM
Purchase:Bundle or Gift
Show in game

Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing 		16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield 		16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side 		10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  • Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
  • Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 16 30 639 1,145 21.3 38.17
Realistic 55 15 398 600 13.27 20

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 5.27 7.31 8.88 9.82 10.45
Realistic 3.57 4.2 5.1 5.64 6.0
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 23.0 21.2 20.0
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 54 54 54 54 54 54
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.1 0.1 6,860 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Screen radius
in m 		Screen time
in s 		Screen hold time
in s: 		Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 40.8 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		Visual discrepancy
30 29 (+1) 27 (+3) 23 (+7) 18 (+12) 15 (+15) 9 (+21) 6 (+24) 1 (+29) No

Notes:

  • Recommended ammo load: 10. Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive M110
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Good reverse speed

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

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The Shooting Range #96 - Metal Beasts section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
High-explosive power discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 at 0:50 - War Thunder Official Channel

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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