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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_KV-220.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.61 "Road to Glory"]] in the "[[Operation S.U.M.M.E.R.]]" event of [[wt:en/news/4151-special-operation-s-u-m-m-e-r-updated-03-08-2016-en/|2016]] that lasted from 22 July to 22 August, unlocked after obtaining 36 tanker Marks of Distinction.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]].
 
 
The KV-220 is played almost like the previous KV iterations in the Soviet heavy tank line-up. The great improvement over the predecessors is the improved all-around armour to 100 mm, meaning that the tank can angle its hull with more confidence without revealing a side weak point or the such. The great armour, decent mobility, and adequate gun gives the KV-220 a diverse role to play in, from a short-range brawler, a support tank, and a long-range sniper.
 
 
 
The KV-220 is quite a heavy tank of its own caliber. With 100 mm of armour all around the hull and turret, the angling of the hull can be done to maximize both front and side armour without worry of exposing weak points. Not to mention for its weight, the KV-220 is quite agile. While the 85 mm gun is powerful by its own remarks, it is inferior to the same 85 mm gun that is on the [[IS-1]] that shares the same BR as the KV-220. This is because the 85 mm on the IS has access to the more potent BR-365A and APCR shells. Thus, the KV-220 provides a heavy tank with an impressive arrangement of armour with decent mobility, but with a gun that may feel lacking in the battlefield against other heavy tanks.
 
 
 
There is one frontal weak point on the KV-220, and that is the gun mantlet. Not that the gun mantlet area is easy to penetrate, but that it curves downwards on the lower end of the shape. This presents a shot trap able to be exploited by any gun to ricochet a round off that and into the hull roof, which is only 30 mm thick. Do note this when facing an enemy taking aim at the tank.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
  
If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.-->
 
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
* Rolled homogeneous armour  
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* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet, Commander's cupola)
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Structural steel
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{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
|-
 
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear (Slope angle) !! Roof
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
|-
 
|-
| Hull || 100 mm (30°) ''Front Plate'' <br> 80 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 100 mm (26°) ''Lower glacis'' || 100 mm || 60 mm (8-72°) ''Upper'' <br> 100 mm (19°) ''Lower'' || 30 mm
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
 
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|-
| Turret || 100 mm ''Turret front'' <br> 90 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 100 mm || 100 mm || 40 mm
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
 
|-
 
|-
 
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof  
 
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof  
 
|-
 
|-
| Cupola || 130 mm || 30 mm
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
 
|}
 
|}
 
'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
* Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 639|rbMinHp= 398}}
!colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
 
|-
 
! Weight (tons)
 
!colspan="1" | Add-on Armor<br>weight (tons)
 
!colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
 
|-
 
|rowspan="2" | 62.4 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 36 (AB)
 
|-
 
|34 (RB/SB)
 
|-
 
!colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
 
|-
 
!colspan="1" | Mode
 
!Stock
 
!Upgraded
 
|-
 
|''Arcade''
 
|1,097
 
|1,351
 
|-
 
|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
|752
 
|850
 
|-
 
!colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
|-
 
!colspan="1" | Mode
 
!Stock
 
!Upgraded
 
|-
 
|''Arcade''
 
|17.58
 
|21.65
 
|-
 
|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
|12.05
 
|13.62
 
|-
 
|}
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|F-30 (85 mm)}}
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="6" | [[F-30 (85 mm)|85 mm F-30]]
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
 
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
|-
 
|-
| colspan="3" | 91 || -/+23° || ±180° || N/A
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -/+67° || ±20° || N/A
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
|-
 
|-
| ''Arcade'' || 7.10 || 9.90 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
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| ''Arcade'' || 5.27 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45
 
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|-
| ''Realistic'' || 7.10 || 8.40 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.57 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.64 || 6.0
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
|-
 
|-
| 9.60 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
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| 26.0 || 23.0 || 21.2 || 20.0
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
 
|-
 
|-
 
! 10m
 
! 10m
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! 2000m
 
|-
 
|-
| BR-365A || APHEBC || 142 || 139 || 123 || 105 || 91 || 81
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| M107 || HE || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54
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| O-365K || HE || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9
 
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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! 100%
 
! 100%
 
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|-
| BR-365A || APHEBC || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 15 || 164 || +|| 48° || 63° || 71°
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 43.1 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 6,860 || +|| 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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|-
| O-365K || HE || 780 || 9.5 || 0.1 || 0.3 || 646 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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|-
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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|-
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| M110 || 563 || 40.8 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
[[File:Ammoracks_KV-220.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] for the KV-220.]]
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! Full<br /> ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! 1st<br />  rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! 2nd<br />  rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
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! 3rd<br />  rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
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! 4th<br />  rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
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! 5th<br />  rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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! 6th<br />  rack empty
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! 7th <br /> rack empty
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! 8th <br /> rack empty
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! Visual discrepancy
 
|-
 
|-
|| '''91''' || 87&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 82&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 77&nbsp;''(+14)'' || 45&nbsp;''(+46)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+90)'' || style="text-align:left" | no
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|| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27 ''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' ||6&nbsp;''(+24)''||1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| style="text-align:left" | No
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Recommended ammo load: '''10'''.  ''Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.''
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|DT (7.62 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="7" | [[DT (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm DT]]
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|20 mm MG151/20]]
 
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|-
! colspan="7" | ''Commander cupola mount''
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! colspan="7" | ''Commander's mount''
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
 
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
|-
 
|-
| colspan="4" | 1,890 (63) || 600 || -/+60° || ±180°  
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| colspan="4" | 400 (250) || 700 || -/+45° || ±180°
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|-
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|}
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== Usage in battles ==
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
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=== Modules ===
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Tier
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! colspan="2" | Mobility
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! Protection
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! colspan="2" | Firepower
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|-
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| I
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| Tracks
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| Parts
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| Horizontal Drive
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| M110
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|-
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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|
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
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| III
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| Filters
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|
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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|
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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| IV
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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| Transmission
! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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| Engine
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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|
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|
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|
 
|-
 
|-
| colspan="4" | 1,890 (63) || 600 || N/A || N/A
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! colspan="6" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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'''Fighting tanks'''
 
* Tiger I [[Tiger H1|H1]]/[[Tiger E|E]] - They are usually very easy to destroy and protecting the KV-220 is easy with the right angle of armour, but one mistake and the 88 mm guns can eliminate the KV-220.
 
* [[M18 GMC|M18 Hellcat]] - Very fast and manoeuvrable. Do not let them flank, if they get onto the sides, they will be able to penetrate. Try to shoot them from a distance.
 
* Tiger II ([[Tiger II (P)|P]]/[[Tiger II (H)|H]]) - They are better than the KV-220 in every aspect. Try to avoid them and shoot them in their side.
 
* [[Pz.Bfw.VI_(P)|Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P)]] - Usually, the 85 mm can't pen their 200 mm frontal armour, so try to aim for the angled cheeks.
 
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
  
'''Pros:'''
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
* Long barreled 85 mm gun
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
* More well armoured than most tanks
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* Decent mobility
* 100 mm of armour ''all around'', sides and rear aren't weaker than the front (Though the slight sloping gives the front about 15 more mm in effective armour)
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* Good reverse speed
* Great acceleration
 
* Machine gun turret can traverse 360 degrees
 
* 85 mm shell has great HE filler
 
* When angled properly, the tank can bounce or soak up many shots
 
* Lots of ammo (91 rounds)
 
* Game changer, as it's very hard to dislodge a well positioned KV-220 especially when the player knows it perks
 
* 6 crew for large damage sponge
 
* One of the few Russian tanks that has a good gun depression
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
* Very sluggish in turns.
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* Tall profile and hull is longer than other KV and IS series tank
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
* Despite firing the BR-365A used on the other 85 mm armed tanks, this gun mounted on the KV-220 is among the earliest model, so it has lower penetration rating compared to others
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* Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
* Slow turret traverse speed
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* Large profile
* Only two types of ammo available (APHEBC and HE)
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* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
* Lower gun mantlet is a shot trap - Can direct ricochets into hull roof
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
* Some ammo will be stored in the turret rear if carrying full ammo
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* No AP shells, only HE shells
* Unlike other tanks, losing a loader will hinder the loading process by a large margin
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* Bad gun depression of 5°
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_155 Skin and Camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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{{Youtube-gallery|YZtAEsSpwNM|'''The Shooting Range #96''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.|_xCgMBOiA8U|'''High-explosive power''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:50 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
  
 
== External links ==
 
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* [[Wikipedia:Obusier_de_155_mm_Mod%C3%A8le_50|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Obusier de 155mm Modèle 50 (The gun)]]
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* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#Char_Lorraine|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 - Char Lorraine (The chassis)]]
  
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Revision as of 21:48, 15 August 2020

Rank VI USA | Premium | Golden Eagles
A-10A Thunderbolt (Early)
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
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Lorraine 155 Mle.50
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Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing
16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield
16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side
10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  • Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
  • Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 16 30 639 1,145 21.3 38.17
Realistic 55 15 398 600 13.27 20

Armaments

Main armament

155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 5.27 7.31 8.88 9.82 10.45
Realistic 3.57 4.2 5.1 5.64 6.0
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 23.0 21.2 20.0
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 54 54 54 54 54 54
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
in m/s
Projectile
Mass in kg
Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
Normalization At 30°
from horizontal:
Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.1 0.1 6,860 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s
Projectile
Mass in kg
Screen radius
in m
Screen time
in s
Screen hold time
in s:
Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 40.8 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
7th
rack empty
8th
rack empty
Visual discrepancy
30 29 (+1) 27 (+3) 23 (+7) 18 (+12) 15 (+15) (+21) (+24) (+29) No

Notes:

  • Recommended ammo load: 10. Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute)
Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive M110
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Good reverse speed

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

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See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50