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General info

F-86F-2 Sabre in the garage.

The F-86F-2 Sabre is a Rank V American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0. It was introduced in Update 1.35.

The main purpose, usage and tactics recommendations

The view of an F-86 Sabre from the cockpit of a MiG-15

General play style

Vehicle characteristics

Tactics

In RB, speed is life on this plane. First thing that should be done after taking off is gaining at least 800-900 kph IAS in level flight and zoom climbing to around 2 km(or we can fight even at the deck, all depends on situation). Maintaining speed at 800 kph is very important. BnZ is main tactic, don't engage in vertical with MiG-15bis. Sabre easily outdive MiG-15bis(Sabre have higher top speed, which means MiG-15bis won't be able to catch Sabre in level flight/dive). Avoid flying slow and turnfighting.

Specific enemies worth noting

Counter-tactics

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High roll rate.
  • Good performance below 4 km altitude.
  • Strong, fast firing and high velocity nose mounted weaponry.
  • Good zooming ability.
  • Very good diving acceleration (Inferior to the Mig-15bis and Mig-17). Should not be relied upon without defensive maneuvers if both planes are recovering from stall.
  • Very effective aerodynamic brake (Inferior to Mig-15bis/Mig-17 as well as Hunter F1, do not attempt to stay on their tail if they perform zero-thrust, airbraking barrel roll in order to get you off their tails. They turn harder in low speed).
  • Very good maneuverability at high speeds and in horizontal.

Cons:

  • With boosters installed it's very easy to rip wings (Not as of September 4th, 2016. However do not turn 100% without decelerating slightly from maximum speed).
  • Moderate acceleration.
  • Poor climb rate in sustained climb.
  • Poor maneuverability at low speeds and in vertical.
  • Cannons jam very quickly.
  • Extreme amount of ammo trigger discipline is required. Players will receive a "culture shock" when switching from F-25 Sabre to F-2, for they were blinded by the upgrade in firepower and neglected to take fire-rate and ammo supply into account.

Specifications

Armaments

Offensive armaments

  • 4 x 20 mm FMC T-160 cannons, nose-mounted (115 rpg = 460 total)

Payloads

  • 16 x 127 mm HVAR rockets
  • 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs

Rockets

Rockets

Aircraft Rockets

Nation Mass Name Velocity Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Rocket properties High explosive Fragmentation
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Germany
110.9 kg BR 20 350 m/s 210 100 210.8 5 m 75 mm 100 50 m 10 mm
3.85 kg R4M Orkan 525 m/s 55 0 0.6 1 m 12 mm 5.2 25 m 8 mm
2.78 kg RZ 65 Föhn 260 m/s 73 17.5 0 0.9 m 10 mm 13.1 15 m 8 mm
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Japan
60 kg 60 kg 340 m/s 82 21.1 99.9 6 m 60 mm 0 15 m 8 mm
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USSR
41.9 kg RS-132 350 m/s 132 14 27.9 3 m 75 mm 43.3 25 m 10 mm
7.84 kg RS-82 340 m/s 82 0 0.6 1 m 23 mm 16.9 12 m 8 mm
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Britain
64 kg HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
43 kg RP-3 350 m/s 76 10.5 35.8 3.5m 75 mm 56.7 15 m 5 mm
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USA
583 kg 11.75 in Tiny Tim 300 m/s 298 17.5 1,289.2 13 m 120 mm 183.4 45 m 12 mm
64 kg 5 in HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
17 kg M8 Bazooka 250 m/s 114 3.5 6 1 m 29 mm 16.8 25 m 7 mm

bombs

bombs

Bombs

Nation Mass (nominal) Name Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Bomb properties High explosive Fragmentation
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Germany
1,000 kg SC 1000L2 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg SC 250Ja 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg SC 50Ja 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg SC 500K 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
10 kg SD 10C 152 0.8 0.3 5m 8mm 0 15m 5mm
10 kg SD 10a 152 0.8 0.5 5m 10mm 0 15m 5mm
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Japan
250 kg mod.25 mk 2 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg mod. 50 mk 2 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
800 kg mod. 80 mk 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg Type 92 mod. 25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg Type 92 mod. 50 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
100 kg Type 94 mod. 10 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
50 kg Army Type 94 mod. 5 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
60 kg Type 97 mod. 6 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
250 kg Type 98 mod.25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
800kg Type 99 mod. 25 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
800 kg Navy Type 99 No. 80 mod. 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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USSR
100 kg FAB-100 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
1,000 kg FAB-1000 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg FAB-250M-43 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg FAB-50 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg FAB-500 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
1,500 kg FAB-1500M-46 450 33 2452.7 70m 450mm 94.4 150m 15mm
3,000 kg FAB-3000M-46 450 33 8493.2 100m 500mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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Britain
453 kg 1000 lb GP 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb GP mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb MC mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 43 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb late 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 43 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
1,815 kg mk 2 Cookie 450 100 4955.1 80m 400mm 87.6 200m 15mm
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USA
453.6 kg 1000lb AN-M65 cone 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453.6 kg 1000 lb AN-M65A1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
45.4 kg 100 lb AN-M30A1 152 4.3 1 8m 50mm 51.3 40m 10mm
907.2 kg 2000 lb AN-M66A2 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb AN-M57 267 9.3 4.1 12m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb AN-M64A1 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
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France
kg 100 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 200 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 500 kg No. 2 m mm m mm

Engine & mobility

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Engine

Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2470.5 kgf (Stock), ____._ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2445.0 kgf (Stock), 2600.0 kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2445.0 kgf (Stock), 2600.0 kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg

Stats

Stock
  • Max speed: 1,095 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 24.7 s
  • Rate of Climb: 38.8 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 1,115 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 23.6 s
  • Rate of Climb: 56.5 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1,089 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 35.9 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 1,106 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 24.0 s
  • Rate of Climb: 46.7 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1,089 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 35.9 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: 1,106 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 24.0 s
  • Rate of Climb: 46.7 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Performance

Horsepower graph

Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.55)



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0.92
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2.76
3.68
4.6
Horsepower in 1000hp
Altitude in 1000m

Supercharger Stage #1: 100%

Supercharger Stage #1: WEP



Thrust graph
260
510
760
1010
1260
1510
1760
2010
2260
2510
2760
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2.4
3.6
4.8
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7.2
8.4
9.6
10.8
12
Speed in 100kph
Altitude in 1000km


Modules and improvements

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair, Compressor Offensive 20 mm
II New boosters Airframe FRC mk.2
III Wings repair, Engine New 20 mm cannons
IV G-suit Cover FLBC mk.1

History of creation and combat usage

Development

The F-86F-2 was the designation given to 10 aircraft (4 F-86E and 6 F-86F) modified to carry the M39 Revolver cannon in October 1952. They were fitted with larger and strengthened gun bays to make them able to receive the new cannons. They were tested at Edwards AFB and the Air Proving Ground at Eglin AFB. Eight of these aircraft were then shipped to Japan (two were lost during testing due to the compressors ingesting excessive propellant gases from the cannons). Seven of these aircraft were then deployed to Kimpo Airfield as "Project GunVal" for a 16-week combat field trial in early 1953.

The F-86F-2 is the official designation for F-86E and F aircraft that were retrofitted with strengthened and enlarged gun bays to carry the new T-160 cannon developed from the captured Mauser MG 213, a German autocannon which never saw service. The aircraft were flight tested at Edwards and Eglin Air Force Bases. The aircraft were then relocated to Kimpo Airfield for tests in actual combat. Two aircraft were lost after the engine ingested excessive amounts of exhaust gases from the cannons.

Combat usage

The F-86 is considered one of the best fighter jets of the Korean War. It is the most-produced Western fighter, with almost 10,000 aircraft produced by the US, Australia, Canada (as the re-engined CL-13), Italy, and Japan.

The F-86 was developed by North American Aviation, the creator of the venerable P-51 Mustang. The XP-86 prototype was created to meet the USAF requirement for a high-altitude escort fighter. It was derived from the Navy's FJ-1 Fury, a transitional fighter jet that borrowed the wings, tail surfaces and canopy from the P-51D. The XP-86 was under threat of cancellation because the XP-80 and XP-84 had similar performance characteristics and were farther ahead in development. However, North American designers made a radical change to the design and replaced the straight wing with a swept wing, which was shown by seized German research to greatly reduce drag and increase performance at high speed. The resulting performance boost was so significant that the swept-wing prototype of the XP-86 was supposedly able break the sound barrier in a dive a few days before Chuck Yeager made his official attempt.

The F-86F-2 is the designation for four F-86E and six F-86F aircraft that were retrofitted to carry four 20mm T-160 (later designated M39) revolver cannons. The cannon was derived from the Mauser MG 213, a prototype aircraft cannon developed by the Germans at the end of World War II, which also served as a basis for the British ADEN and French DEFA cannons. The aircraft were deployed to Kimpo Airfield for trials in combat in 1953. Despite losing two aircraft after compressor stalls from ingesting too many exhaust gases from the new cannons, the M-39 cannon became the standard armament for the F-86H, a fighter-bomber variant with a more powerful engine.

Screenshots and fan art

Skins and camouflages for the F-86F-2 from live.warthunder.com.

Additional information (links)

References


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Icon-country-usa.png F-86F-2 Sabre
Nation USA
Type Jet Fighter
Fighting style Boom & Zoom
Jet Combat

   Metric✓       Imperial   

   Metric       Imperial✓   

Characteristics
Empty Weight ~5430 kg
Empty Weight + fuel ~6714 kg
Takeoff Weight ~9530 kg
Wing Area ~28 m²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
top speed ~1105.99 kph at 0 m
Climb Rate ~46.70 m/s
Optimal climb velocity ~760.31 kph
Turn Time ~24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~193.00 kg/m²
Characteristics
Empty Weight ~11971 lb
Empty Weight + fuel ~14801 lb
Takeoff Weight ~21010 lb
Wing Area ~304 ft²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
Top speed ~687.23 mph at 0 m
Climb Rate 153.22 ft/s
Optimal climb velocity ~472.44 mph
Turn Time 24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~39.53 lb/ft²
Main Weapons
4 x FMC T-160 115 RPG
Payload Option 1
Nothing Loaded Clean Plane
Payload Option 2
16 x HVAR 🚀 Rocket
Payload Option 3
2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 Fin M129 💣 Bomb
Limits
Max Speed limit 1170 kph
Gear lmit 350 kph
Combat Flaps 620 kph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <850 kph
Rudder <600 kph
Elevators <650 kph
Radiator >250 kph
Limits
Max Speed limit 727 mph
Gear lmit 217 mph
Combat Flaps 385 mph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <528 mph
Rudder <373 mph
Elevators <404 mph
Radiator >155 mph
Manual Control
Mixer is not controllable
Pitch is not controllable
no automatic pitch
Radiator (water) is not controllable
Radiator (oil) is not controllable
Oil and water uses combined radiator control
Supercharger is not controllable
Turbocharger is not controllable
* Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.57 initial release)