F-86F-2 Sabre

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General info

F-86F-2 Sabre in the Garage.

The F-86F-2 Sabre is a Rank V American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0. It was in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.37.

The main purpose, usage and tactics recommendations

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The view of an F-86 Sabre from the cockpit of a MiG-15
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In RB speed is life on this plane. First thing that should be done after taking off is gaining at least 800-900 kph IAS in level flight and zoom climbing to around 2 km(or we can fight even at the deck, all depends on situation). Maintaining speed at 800 kph is very important. BnZ is main tactic, don't engage in vertical with MiG-15bis. Sabre easily outdive MiG-15bis(Sabre have higher top speed, which means MiG-15bis won't be able to catch Sabre in level flight/dive). Avoid flying slow and turnfighting.
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Pros and cons

Pros

  • High roll rate
  • Good performance below 4 km altitude
  • Strong, fast firing and high velocity nose mounted weaponry
  • Good zooming ability
  • Very good diving acceleration (Inferior to the Mig-15bis and Mig-17). Should not be relied upon without defensive maneuvers if both planes are recovering from stall
  • Very effective aerodynamic brake (Inferior to Mig-15bis/Mig-17 as well as Hunter F1, do not attempt to stay on their tail if they perform zero-thrust, airbraking barrel roll in order to get you off their tails. They turn harder in low speed)
  • Very good maneuverability at high speeds and in horizontal

Cons

  • With boosters installed it's very easy to rip wings (Not as of September 4th, 2016. However do not turn 100% without decelerating slightly from maximum speed)
  • Moderate acceleration
  • Poor climb rate in sustained climb
  • Poor maneuverability at low speeds and in vertical
  • Cannons jam very quickly
  • Extreme amount of ammo trigger discipline is required. Players will receive a "culture shock" when switching from F-25 Sabre to F-2, for they were blinded by the upgrade in firepower and neglected to take fire-rate and ammo supply into account

Specifications

Armaments

Offensive armaments

20mm FMT T-160 cannons have very high velocity (1,030 m/s or 3,300 ft/s) and insane rate of fire (1500 rpm), making aiming easier, which is very helpful in jets combat.

  • 4 x 20 mm FMT T-160 cannons, nose-mounted (115 rpg = 460 total)

T_160

T_160

T 160

Pros

Cons



Payloads

  • 16 x 127 mm HVAR rockets (FRC mk.2 upgrade required)
  • 2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (FLBC mk.1 upgrade required)

Rockets

Rockets

Aircraft Rockets

Nation Mass Name Velocity Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Rocket properties High explosive Fragmentation
Germany ✙ 110.9kg br20 350m/s 210 100 210.8 5m 75mm 100 50m 10mm
Germany ✙ 3.85kg r4m orkan rocket 525m/s 55 0 0.6 1m 12mm 5.2 25m 8mm
Germany ✙ 2.78kg rz65 rocket 260m/s 73 17.5 0 0.9m 10mm 13.1 15m 8mm
Japan ❁ 60kg 60kg 340m/s 82 21.1 99.9 6m 60mm 0 15m 8mm
USSR ✭ 41.9kg rs132 350m/s 132 14 27.9 3m 75mm 43.3 25m 10mm
USSR ✭ 7.84kg rs82 340m/s 82 0 0.6 1m 23mm 16.9 12m 8mm
Britain ♚ 64kg hvar 420m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5m 75mm 98.6 17m 12mm
Britain ♚ 43kg rp3 350m/s 76 10.5 35.8 3.5m 75mm 56.7 15m 5mm
USA ✪ 583kg 11 75 in tiny tim 300m/s 298 17.5 1289.2 13m 120mm 183.4 45m 12mm
USA ✪ 64kg 5 in hvar 420m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5m 75mm 98.6 17m 12mm
USA ✪ 17kg m8bazooka 250m/s 114 3.5 6 1m 29mm 16.8 25m 7mm

bombs

bombs

Bombs

nation Mass name Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Bomb properties High explosive Fragmentation
Germany ✙ 1000kg sc1000 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
Germany ✙ 250kg sc250 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Germany ✙ 50kg sc50 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
Germany ✙ 500kg sc500 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Germany ✙ 10kg sd10a 152 0.8 0.3 5m 8mm 0 15m 5mm
Germany ✙ 10kg sd 10a 152 0.8 0.5 5m 10mm 0 15m 5mm
Japan ❁ 250kg mod25mark2 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Japan ❁ 500kg mod50mark2 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Japan ❁ 800kg mod80mark1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
Japan ❁ 250kg type92mod25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Japan ❁ 500kg type92mod50 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Japan ❁ 100kg type94mod10 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
Japan ❁ 50kg type94mod5 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
Japan ❁ 60kg type97mod6 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
Japan ❁ 250kg type98mod25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Japan ❁ 800kg type99mod25 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
Japan ❁ 800kg type99mod80 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
USSR ✭ 100kg fab100 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
USSR ✭ 1000kg fab1000 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
USSR ✭ 250kg fab250 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
USSR ✭ 50kg fab50 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
USSR ✭ 500kg fab500 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
USSR ✭ 1500kg fab 1500m 46 450 33 2452.7 70m 450mm 94.4 150m 15mm
USSR ✭ 3000kg fab 3000m 46 450 33 8493.2 100m 500mm 94.4 150m 15mm
Britain ♚ 453kg 1000lbs gp 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Britain ♚ 453kg 1000lbs gp mk1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Britain ♚ 453kg 1000lbs mc mk1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
Britain ♚ 113.4kg 250lbs 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
Britain ♚ 113.4kg 250lbs 43 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
Britain ♚ 113.4kg 250lbs late 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
Britain ♚ 226.8kg 500lbs 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Britain ♚ 226.8kg 500lbs 43 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
Britain ♚ 1815kg mk2 cookie 450 100 4955.1 80m 400mm 87.6 200m 15mm
USA ✪ 453.6kg 1000lb anm65 cone 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
USA ✪ 453.6kg 1000lb anm65a1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
USA ✪ 453.6kg 1000lbs 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
USA ✪ 45.4kg 100lb anm30 152 4.3 1 8m 50mm 51.3 40m 10mm
USA ✪ 45.4kg 100lbs 152 4.3 1 8m 50mm 51.3 40m 10mm
USA ✪ 907.2kg 2000lbs 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
USA ✪ 907.2kg 2000lbs anm66 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
USA ✪ 113.4kg 250lb anm57 267 9.3 4.1 12m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
USA ✪ 226.8kg 500lb anm64a1 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
USA ✪ 226.8kg 500lbs 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm

Engine & Mobility

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Engine

Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2470.5 kgf (Stock), _____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2445 kgf (Stock), _____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-27 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2445 kgf (Stock), _____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg

Stats

Stock
  • Max speed: 1095 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 24.7 s
  • Rate of Climb: 38.8 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1089 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 35.9 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1089 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 35.9 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,700 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 750 m

Performance

260
510
760
1010
1260
1510
1760
2010
2260
2510
2760
0
1.5
3
4.5
6
7.5
9
10.5
12
13.5
15
0
1.2
2.4
3.6
4.8
6
7.2
8.4
9.6
10.8
12
Speed in 100kph
Altitude in 1000km

Modules and improvements

History of creation and combat usage

Development

The F-86F-2 was the designation given to 10 aircraft (4 F-86E and 6 F-86F) modified to carry the M39 Revolver cannon in October 1952. They were fitted with larger and strengthened gun bays to make them able to receive the new cannons. They were tested at Edwards AFB and the Air Proving Ground at Eglin AFB. Eight of these aircraft were then shipped to Japan (two were lost during testing due to the compressors ingesting excessive propellant gases from the cannons). Seven of these aircraft were then deployed to Kimpo Airfield as "Project GunVal" for a 16-week combat field trial in early 1953.

The F-86F-2 is the official designation for F-86E and F aircraft that were retrofitted with strengthened and enlarged gun bays to carry the new T-160 cannon developed from the captured Mauser MG 213, a German autocannon which never saw service. The aircraft were flight tested at Edwards and Eglin Air Force Bases. The aircraft were then relocated to Kimpo Airfield for tests in actual combat. Two aircraft were lost after the engine ingested excessive amounts of exhaust gases from the cannons.

Combat

The F-86 is considered one of the best fighter jets of the Korean War. It is the most-produced Western fighter, with almost 10,000 aircraft produced by the US, Australia, Canada (as the re-engined CL-13), Italy, and Japan.

The F-86 was developed by North American Aviation, the creator of the venerable P-51 Mustang. The XP-86 prototype was created to meet the USAF requirement for a high-altitude escort fighter. It was derived from the Navy's FJ-1 Fury, a transitional fighter jet that borrowed the wings, tail surfaces and canopy from the P-51D. The XP-86 was under threat of cancellation because the XP-80 and XP-84 had similar performance characteristics and were farther ahead in development. However, North American designers made a radical change to the design and replaced the straight wing with a swept wing, which was shown by seized German research to greatly reduce drag and increase performance at high speed. The resulting performance boost was so significant that the swept-wing prototype of the XP-86 was supposedly able break the sound barrier in a dive a few days before Chuck Yeager made his official attempt.

The F-86F-2 is the designation for four F-86E and six F-86F aircraft that were retrofitted to carry four 20mm T-160 (later designated M39) revolver cannons. The cannon was derived from the Mauser MG 213, a prototype aircraft cannon developed by the Germans at the end of World War II, which also served as a basis for the British ADEN and French DEFA cannons. The aircraft were deployed to Kimpo Airfield for trials in combat in 1953. Despite losing two aircraft after compressor stalls from ingesting too many exhaust gases from the new cannons, the M-39 cannon became the standard armament for the F-86H, a fighter-bomber variant with a more powerful engine.

Ingame description

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Screenshots and fan art

Skins and camouflages for the F-86F-2 from live.warthunder.com.

Additional information (links)

References


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F-86F-2
Nation USA
Type Jet Fighter
Fighting style Boom & Zoom
Jet Combat

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   Metric       Imperial✓   

Characteristics
Empty Weight ~5430 kg
Empty Weight + fuel ~6714 kg
Takeoff Weight ~9530 kg
Wing Area ~28 m²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
top speed ~1105.99 kph at 0 m
Climb Rate ~46.70 m/s
Optimal climb velocity ~760.31 kph
Turn Time ~24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~193.00 kg/m²
Characteristics
Empty Weight ~11971 lb
Empty Weight + fuel ~14801 lb
Takeoff Weight ~21010 lb
Wing Area ~304 ft²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
Top speed ~687.23 mph at 0 m
Climb Rate 153.22 ft/s
Optimal climb velocity ~472.44 mph
Turn Time 24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~39.53 lb/ft²
Main Weapons
4 x FMC T-160 115 RPG
Payload Option 1
Nothing Loaded Clean Plane
Payload Option 2
16 x 🚀 173mm, 20.6kg HVAR rocket
Payload Option 3
2 x 💣 1000 lbs AN-M65 Bomb
Limits
Max Speed limit 1170 kph
Gear lmit 350 kph
Combat Flaps 620 kph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <850 kph
Rudder <600 kph
Elevators <650 kph
Radiator >250 kph
Limits
Max Speed limit 727 mph
Gear lmit 217 mph
Combat Flaps 385 mph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <528 mph
Rudder <373 mph
Elevators <404 mph
Radiator >155 mph
Manual Control
Mixer is not controllable
Pitch is not controllable
no automatic pitch
Radiator (water) is not controllable
Radiator (oil) is not controllable
Oil and water uses combined radiator control
Supercharger is not controllable
Turbocharger is not controllable
* Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.57 initial release)