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| | + | |info = This member has been playing War Thunder since<br />9 February 2020 |
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| | + | {{Userbox/Favorite vehicle|potez_631}} |
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| | + | = Quick description = |
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| − | == Description ==
| + | I just wanted to drop some quick info on the wiki to avoid too many unnecessary questions (most notably the inevitable, ever-present "which thermal gen does tank X and Y get") |
| − | <!--''In the description, the first part needs to be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert screenshot of the vehicle. If the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle it is talking about.''-->
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| − | [[File:GarageImage_He177A-5.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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| − | {{break}}
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| − | The '''{{PAGENAME}} ''Greif''''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German heavy bomber {{Battle-rating}}. This bomber was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] as part of the revenue share program. It was created by Daniil "''Joy_Division__'' Zaytsev.
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| − | The Heinkel He 177 A-5 is a heavy bomber that excels at destroying stationary targets such as pillboxes and bases from altitude. Its speed allows to bomb one base or two before confronting any enemy plane and then withdrawing back in shallow dive. Even if an enemy is trying to intercept you, your defensive armament in manual mode would keep it at bay.
| + | = Useful templates = |
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| − | == General info == | + | ==== Optics and night vision ==== |
| − | === Flight Performance ===
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| − | <!--''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Maximum speed, maneuverability, speed and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''-->
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| − | ! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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| − | ! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 6,500 m)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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| − | ! AB
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| − | ! RB
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| − | ! AB
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| − | ! AB
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| − | |531||518|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||32.2||33.4||5.9||5.9|| 1,600
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| − | ! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 6,500 m)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
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| − | ! AB
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| − | ! RB
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| − | ! AB
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| − | |582||555|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||29.8||31.0||10.5||8.0|| 1,600
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| − | ====Details====
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| − | ! colspan="5" | Features
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| − | ! Combat flap
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| − | ! Take-off flap
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| − | ! Landing flap
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| − | ! Air brakes
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| − | ! Arrestor gear
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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| − | ! colspan="5" | Limits
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| − | ! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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| − | ! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Max Static G
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| − | |{{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}}||450|| ~?? || ~?
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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| − | ! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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| − | ! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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| − | ! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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| − | ! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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| − | ! Radiator<br>(km/h)
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| − | | < 300 || < 310 || < 360 || > 715
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| − | ! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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| − | ! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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| − | ! Optimal altitude
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| − | ! 100% Engine power
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| − | ! WEP Engine power
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| − | | 5,700 m || 2,520 hp || 2,797 hp
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| − | <!--! colspan="3" | Setting 2
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| − | ! Optimal altitude
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| − | ! 100% Engine power
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| − | ! WEP Engine power
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| − | | ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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| − | ! colspan="3" | Setting 3
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| − | ! Optimal altitude
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| − | ! 100% Engine power
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| − | ! WEP Engine power
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| − | | ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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| − | === Survivability and armour ===
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| − | <!--''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured. Describe the armour, if there is any, also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''-->
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| − | * 9 mm Steel plates in pilot’s seat.
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| − | * 7 mm Steel plate under the entire cockpit
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| − | * 9 mm Steel plate in front of the front dorsal gunner.
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| − | * 7 mm Steel plates on cockpit roof around front dorsal gunner.
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| − | * 7 mm Steel plates around rear dorsal gunner.
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| − | * 7 mm Steel box in front of the rear dorsal gunner.
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| − | * 57 mm Bulletproof glass in front of tail gunner.
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| − | * 9 mm Steel plates around the bottom and front of tail gunner.
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| − | == Armaments ==
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| − | === Suspended armament ===
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| − | <!--''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.''-->
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| − | {{main|:Category:Suspended armaments|l1=Suspended armaments}}
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| − | The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordinance:
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| − | * 48 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (2,400 kg total)
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| − | * 12 x 250 kg SC250JA bombs (3,000 kg total)
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| − | * 6 x 500 kg SC500K bombs (3,000 kg total)
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| − | * 4 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bombs (4,000 kg total)
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| − | * 2 x 1,800 kg SC1800B bombs (3,600 kg total)
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| − | * 2 x 1,800 kg SC1800B bombs + 6 x 500 kg SC500K bombs (6,600 kg total)
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| − | * 3 x 1,400 kg PC 1400 X (Fritz X) bombs (4,200 kg total)
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| − | === Defensive armament ===
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| − | <!--''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available remove this subsection.''-->
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| − | {{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 81 (7.92 mm)}}
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| − | The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can defend itself with:
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| − | * 1 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon, chin turret (300 rpg)
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| − | * 1 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon, tail turret (800 rpg)
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| − | * 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, front dorsal turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 rpg)
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| − | * 1 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, rear dorsal turret (1,000 rpg)
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| − | * 1 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, ventral turret (1,000 rpg)
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| − | * 1 x 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun, nose turret (1,000 rpg)
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| − | == Usage in battles ==
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| − | <!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->
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| − | Combining the speed and handling of the Do 217 and the immense payload of the Lancaster along with defensive armament approaching that of the American bombers, the He 177 Greif is an outstanding heavy bomber. Its max payload of 2 x 1,800 kg and 6 x 500 kg bombs is easily the best of its contemporaries when it comes to demolishing bases in AB and airfields in RB/SB. Other payloads are quite useful depending on the bombing objectives in RB/SB: 6 x 500 kg against bases (3 per bases), 4 x 1000 kg and 2 x 1800 kg for aircraft carriers and airfields.
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| − | The He 177 bears some similarities to the Do 217 series. It has an exceptionally high dive speed for a heavy bomber and is capable of reaching up to 700 km/h in a dive. It is, however, more manoeuvrable at high speeds, one has to be careful not to overload the wings. The two engines (which are really two V12 DB 605 engines coupled together to drive one four-bladed propeller, making them essentially 24 cylinder engines) are very powerful, but at the same time more vulnerable to damage.
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| − | The defensive armament of the Greif is very good by German standards, consisting primarily of 13 mm MG 131 heavy machine guns, completed with 2 MG 151/20 cannons, one in front and one in tail turret. The large tail fin prevents the dorsal turrets from firing directly to the rear, leaving only the MG 151/20, however.
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| − | ====Climbing and bombing====
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| − | The He 177 A-5 will spawn at 4.5 km as a long-range bomber and as such, it's much easier to get out the reach of interceptors. Do some side climbing, reach 5,000 m after game start (speed will decrease to 250 km/h, but still fine) and continue with a 5-degree climb. Remember, this aircraft is not a dive bomber and should not be treated as such.
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| − | In order to do side climbing, you should upgrade the engine parts and then, just go ASAP to the ''ETC 1000/I'' module. After this upgrade, you will be able to carry 4 x 1,000 kg bombs which can be used to destroy up to 4 bases (no external wing carried bombs here).
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| − | After upgrading engine parts and getting ''ETC 1000/I'', it's time to climb and boom! Just go for the nearest base after reaching +6,000 m altitude. Then, it's done. Be careful of enemy interceptors which may snake their way up to your altitude, because you are really vulnerable at low speeds, hence the recommendation to side-climb. Side-climbing will help pilot have enough time to reach high altitudes, and lay in a bombing run.
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| − | Some notes:
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| − | * You should use combat flaps when bombing airfield to decrease speed (there's a chance of not hitting the airfield)
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| − | * Protect your aircraft as the repair costs are 40,000 Silver Lions.
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| − | * Losing one flap will cause instability, just be careful!
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| − | ===Manual Engine Control===
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| | + | ! colspan="7" | {{PAGENAME}} [[Optics]] |
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| + | ! rowspan="3" |Type of optic |
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| + | ! rowspan="3" |Magnification |
| − | ! rowspan="2" |Mixer | + | ! colspan="5" |[[Night Vision Devices]] |
| − | ! rowspan="2" |Pitch | |
| − | ! colspan="3" |Radiator | |
| − | ! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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| − | ! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
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| − | ! Oil | + | ! colspan="3" |Image Intensifier |
| − | ! Water | + | ! rowspan="2" |{{Annotation|Thermal Imager<br>Resolution|The higher the resolution the clearer and more detailed the image is}} |
| − | ! Type | + | ! rowspan="2" |Notes |
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| − | | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not ontrollable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable | + | ! {{Annotation|Resolution|The higher the resolution the clearer and more detailed the image is}} |
| | + | ! {{Annotation|Light Mult|By how much the image intensifier amplifies the existing light, primarily useful for comparing image intensifiers}} |
| | + | ! {{Annotation|Noise Level|How much noise is present in the image (how grainy the image is)}} |
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| − | ===Modules===
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| − | | Fuselage Repair | + | | X6 || 1600 x 1200 || 9.0 || High || Not Fitted || Image intensifier unlocked by "NVD" modification (tier 4) |
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| − | === Pros and cons ===
| + | (Not sure if I should re-add a "Similar Optics" section below, just took that from the T-80U article) |
| − | <!--''Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".''-->
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| − | '''Pros:'''
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| − | * Heavy defensive weaponry with accurate 13 mm and 20 mm turrets
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| − | * Plenty of bomb load options, with a maximum bomb load of four 1,000 kg bombs
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| − | * Can carry all 4 x 1,000kg SC1000L2 bombs in the bomb bay, so He 177 A-5 can get 3-4 bases at first spawn in realistic battles
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| − | * One of only three heavy bombers for Germany, and the only high-rank heavy bomber in the tech tree
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| − | * Capable of speeds of up to 530 km/h or 340 mph in level flight
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| − | * First spawn at long-range bombers' altitude, which will help get altitude over interceptors and other fighters
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| − | * Good climb rate, can easily make it to 6.5 km altitude
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| − | * Dual engine aerodynamic, make it quite manoeuvrable for a heavy bomber
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| − | * Combat flaps are really useful for decreasing airspeed
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| − | * Fritz X guided bomb is very effective against destroyers and other slow-moving ships (drop from +2,000 m)
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| − | * High SL multiplier, very good money making
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| − | '''Cons:'''
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| − | * Plane is vulnerable in frontal engagement due to the absence of copilot and the glazed nose
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| − | * Engines overheat very quickly when activating WEP and when the cooling system is empty
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| − | * Vulnerable from side attacks
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| − | * Expensive repair cost for RB and higher than average on AB and SB
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| − | * No air brakes for a heavy bomber which increases landing difficulty
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| − | * Being a heavy bomber means that you can't take off from medium airfields
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| − | * Quickly overheats above 5,500 m
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| − | * Engines oil cooler and flaps are vulnerable against machine guns fire
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| − | * Incapable of flying with one engine only, will keep losing altitude and eventually will have to land or crash
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| − | == History ==
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| − | <!--''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.''-->
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| − | Development of the He 177 began in 1936 as part of the Bomber A specifications issued by the German Air Ministry (RLM). The specifications called for a long-range, high-speed bomber with a payload of 1,000 kg. Despite the very demanding specifications, Heinkel began working on a mockup which was submitted for review in late 1937, with an order for 12 experimental machines following shortly after in early 1939. However, throughout its development, the He 177 suffered from a range of problems, some of which weren’t even fixed before further development stopped. For example, one of the requirements (which was soon rejected, since it was impossible to implement) from the Air Ministry was the ability to bomb from a dive, that’s why the engineers had to make various workarounds to provide the required flight technical characteristics. To reduce aerodynamic drag and to ensure flight range, two DB 601 engines were installed in pairs on one gondola and worked with a common shaft which rotated one four-bladed propeller. Thanks to this it was possible to create the aircraft using a two-engined scheme. But for this reason, the vehicle suffered from severe engine overheating issues and more often than not experienced mid-flight engine failures and frequent fires. In the process of fine-tuning the aircraft, the weight was significantly increased, so it became necessary to install a massive frame which could not be hidden - a relatively thin wing or tightly packed nacelles wouldn't fit. As a result, each frame was divided into two racks, each with a single wheel that could be retracted into the wing on opposite sides of the nacelle.
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| − | By 1944, development of the He 177 was considered finished, but by that time, the fortune of war had already turned on Germany and the need for a complex strategic bomber had faded. Nonetheless, over 1,000 He 177s were produced across several variants, with most machines seeing action on the Eastern front. However, despite being made in large numbers, the aircraft ultimately failed to make a difference in the war’s outcome as its design maturity came too late, although some of the built vehicles were also used after war’s end.
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| − | ''- From [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5356-development-heinkel-he-177-a-5-greif-the-flaming-arrow-en Devblog]''
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| − | == Media ==
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| − | ''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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| − | == See also ==
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| − | ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
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| − | * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
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| − | * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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| − | == External links ==
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| − | <!--''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
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| − | * ''topic on the official game forum;''
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| − | * ''encyclopedia page on aircraft;''
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| − | * ''other literature.''-->
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| − | * [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5356-development-heinkel-he-177-a-5-greif-the-flaming-arrow-en [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> Heinkel He 177 A-5 Greif: The Flaming Arrow]
| + | (need to discuss what counts as "high", "medium", or "low" noise, even vehicles with relatively low "ghosting" and "noiseFactor" counts as "high") |
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| − | {{AirManufacturer Heinkel}}
| + | (maybe figure out equation for zoom level based on "zoomInFov" "zoomOutFov"?) |
| − | {{Germany bombers}}
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