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General info

F-86F-25 Sabre in the Garage.

The F-86F-25 Sabre is a Rank V American jet fighter with a batte rating of 8.0 (AB) and 9.0 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.35.

The main purpose, usage and tactics recommendations

General play style

The view of an F-86 Sabre from the cockpit of a MiG-15

The F-86 F-25 differs greatly from it's A-5 predecessor as it no longer has leading edge slats on the wings which increase low speed maneuverability. This was removed from the F model Sabres as North American Aviation (the maker of the Sabre) saw that low speed dogfights were a rare occasion. A more powerful engine was also installed inside the F-86 giving it a better rate of climb, acceleration and top speed. In the F model the biggest difference between was the addition of the "all flying tail" which allowed for high speed maneuvering.

What the Sabre is best at doing is high speed maneuvering as it's main opponent the MiG-15bis doesn't have the 'all flying tail' so it's control surfaces lock up at speeds exceeding 500 mph (800 kph). Just don't maneuver to the point of tearing your wings as that is a problem that inexperienced pilots do when first using the aircraft. Since a new engine was installed, your rate of climb has increased exponentially, but not to the point to out climbing the MiG-15bis but your Sabre can easily out dive the lighter MiG-15.

Vehicle characteristics

Tactics

Specific enemies worth noting

Counter-tactics

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High roll rate.
  • Second Highest top speed.
  • Good performance below 8 km altitude.
  • Nose mounted weaponry.
  • Good zooming ability.
  • Very good diving acceleration.
  • Very effective aerodynamic brake.
  • Very good maneuverability at high speeds and in horizontal.

Cons:

  • Moderate acceleration.
  • Poor climb rate in a sustained climb.
  • Poor maneuverability at low speeds and in vertical.

Specifications

Armaments

Offensive armaments

  • 6 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine gun, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,800 total)

Payloads

bombs

bombs

Bombs

Nation Mass (nominal) Name Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Bomb properties High explosive Fragmentation
Nation-de.png
Germany
1,000 kg SC 1000L2 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg SC 250Ja 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg SC 50Ja 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg SC 500K 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
10 kg SD 10C 152 0.8 0.3 5m 8mm 0 15m 5mm
10 kg SD 10a 152 0.8 0.5 5m 10mm 0 15m 5mm
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Japan
250 kg mod.25 mk 2 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg mod. 50 mk 2 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
800 kg mod. 80 mk 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg Type 92 mod. 25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
500 kg Type 92 mod. 50 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
100 kg Type 94 mod. 10 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
50 kg Army Type 94 mod. 5 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
60 kg Type 97 mod. 6 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
250 kg Type 98 mod.25 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
800kg Type 99 mod. 25 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
800 kg Navy Type 99 No. 80 mod. 1 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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USSR
100 kg FAB-100 267 9.3 0.9 6m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
1,000 kg FAB-1000 450 33 360.4 30m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
250 kg FAB-250M-43 285 16.9 6.3 10m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
50 kg FAB-50 152 4.3 0 3m 35mm 51.3 40m 10mm
500 kg FAB-500 392 23.7 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
1,500 kg FAB-1500M-46 450 33 2452.7 70m 450mm 94.4 150m 15mm
3,000 kg FAB-3000M-46 450 33 8493.2 100m 500mm 94.4 150m 15mm
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Britain
453 kg 1000 lb GP 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb GP mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453 kg 1000 lb MC mk 1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb 43 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
113.4 kg 250 lb late 267 0 5.4 13m 78mm 100.6 48m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb 43 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
1,815 kg mk 2 Cookie 450 100 4955.1 80m 400mm 87.6 200m 15mm
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USA
453.6 kg 1000lb AN-M65 cone 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
453.6 kg 1000 lb AN-M65A1 392 37 100 25m 160mm 100 120m 15mm
45.4 kg 100 lb AN-M30A1 152 4.3 1 8m 50mm 51.3 40m 10mm
907.2 kg 2000 lb AN-M66A2 450 49.6 640.9 40m 250mm 94.4 150m 15mm
113.4 kg 250 lb AN-M57 267 9.3 4.1 12m 75mm 102.3 45m 12mm
226.8 kg 500 lb AN-M64A1 285 16.9 15.7 16m 100mm 111 80m 12mm
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France
kg 100 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 200 kg No. 1 m mm m mm
kg 500 kg No. 2 m mm m mm

Rockets

Rockets

Aircraft Rockets

Nation Mass Name Velocity Caliber Drag   Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen     Damage  
  Rating  
  Radius     Pen  
Rocket properties High explosive Fragmentation
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Germany
110.9 kg BR 20 350 m/s 210 100 210.8 5 m 75 mm 100 50 m 10 mm
3.85 kg R4M Orkan 525 m/s 55 0 0.6 1 m 12 mm 5.2 25 m 8 mm
2.78 kg RZ 65 Föhn 260 m/s 73 17.5 0 0.9 m 10 mm 13.1 15 m 8 mm
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Japan
60 kg 60 kg 340 m/s 82 21.1 99.9 6 m 60 mm 0 15 m 8 mm
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USSR
41.9 kg RS-132 350 m/s 132 14 27.9 3 m 75 mm 43.3 25 m 10 mm
7.84 kg RS-82 340 m/s 82 0 0.6 1 m 23 mm 16.9 12 m 8 mm
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Britain
64 kg HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
43 kg RP-3 350 m/s 76 10.5 35.8 3.5m 75 mm 56.7 15 m 5 mm
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USA
583 kg 11.75 in Tiny Tim 300 m/s 298 17.5 1,289.2 13 m 120 mm 183.4 45 m 12 mm
64 kg 5 in HVAR 420 m/s 127 14 29.3 3.5 m 75 mm 98.6 17 m 12 mm
17 kg M8 Bazooka 250 m/s 114 3.5 6 1 m 29 mm 16.8 25 m 7 mm

Engine & mobility

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Engine

Name: General Electric J47-GE-13 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2470.5 kgf (Stock), ____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-13 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2115.8 kgf (Stock), ____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg
Name: General Electric J47-GE-13 jet
  • Takeoff thrust: 2115.8 kgf (Stock), ____ kgf (Upgraded)
  • Mass: 900 kg

Stats

Stock
  • Max speed: 1,095 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: 24.7 s
  • Rate of Climb: 38.8 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1,071 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 28.8 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m
Stock
  • Max speed: 1,071 km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: 25.9 s
  • Rate of Climb: 28.8 m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m

Upgraded

  • Max speed: ____ km/h
    • at height: at sea level
  • Max altitude: 14,000 m
  • Turn Time: __._ s
  • Rate of Climb: __._ m/s
  • Takeoff run: 700 m

Performance

Horsepower graph

Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.55)



0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
0
0.92
1.84
2.76
3.68
4.6
Horsepower in 1000hp
Altitude in 1000m

Supercharger Stage #1: 100%

Supercharger Stage #1: WEP



Thrust graph
260
510
760
1010
1260
1510
1760
2010
2260
2510
2760
0
1.5
3
4.5
6
7.5
9
10.5
12
13.5
15
0
1.2
2.4
3.6
4.8
6
7.2
8.4
9.6
10.8
12
Speed in 100kph
Altitude in 1000km


Modules and improvements

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair, Compressor Offensive 12 mm
II New boosters Airframe FRC mk.2
III Wings repair, Engine New 12 mm MGs
IV G-suit Cover FLBC mk.1

History of creation and combat usage

The F-86 is considered one of the best fighter jets of the Korean War. It is the most-produced Western fighter, with almost 10,000 aircraft produced by the US, Australia, Canada (as the re-engined CL-13), Italy, and Japan.

The F-86 was developed by North American Aviation, the creator of the venerable P-51 Mustang. The XP-86 prototype was created to meet the USAF requirement for a high-altitude escort fighter. It was derived from the Navy's FJ-1 Fury, a transitional fighter jet that borrowed the wings, tail surfaces and canopy from the P-51D. The XP-86 was under threat of cancellation because the XP-80 and XP-84 had similar performance characteristics and were farther ahead in development. However, North American designers made a radical change to the design and replaced the straight wing with a swept wing, which was shown by seized German research to greatly reduce drag and increase performance at high speed. The resulting performance boost was so significant that the swept-wing prototype of the XP-86 was supposedly able break the sound barrier in a dive a few days before Chuck Yeager made his official attempt.

The F-86F is a further development of the F-86E, which introduced a full power-operated control system and the all-flying tail, in which the entire horizontal stabilizer moves to significantly increase the aircraft's maneuverability at high speed. The F-86F is fitted with the uprated J47-GE-27 engine. The leading edge slats featured on earlier Sabre models were removed in later production versions of the F-86F in favor of more space for fuel. Some of the earlier F-86F models had the static leading edge slats retrofitted. It also carried over the capability to carry tactical nuclear weapons from the F-86E.

Screenshots and fan art

Skins and camouflages for the F-86F-25 from live.warthunder

Additional information (links)

References


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Icon-country-usa.png F-86F-25 Sabre
Nation USA
Type Jet Fighter
Fighting style Boom & Zoom
Jet Combat

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Characteristics
Empty Weight ~5430 kg
Empty Weight + fuel ~6714 kg
Takeoff Weight ~9530 kg
Wing Area ~28 m²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
top speed ~1105.99 kph at 0 m
Climb Rate ~46.70 m/s
Optimal climb velocity ~774.71 kph
Turn Time ~24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~193.00 kg/m²
Characteristics
Empty Weight ~11971 lb
Empty Weight + fuel ~14801 lb
Takeoff Weight ~21010 lb
Wing Area ~304 ft²
# Flap Positions 3
Number of Engines 1
Air Breaks yes
Arrestor Gear no
Statistics
Thrust per Engine 2600 kN
WEP Duration infinite
Top speed ~687.23 mph at 0 m
Climb Rate 153.22 ft/s
Optimal climb velocity ~481.38 mph
Turn Time 24.00 s
Wing loading (Empty) ~39.53 lb/ft²
Main Weapons
6 x M3 Browning 300 RPG
Payload Option 1
Nothing Loaded Clean Plane
Payload Option 2
16 x HVAR 🚀 Rocket
Payload Option 3
2 x 1000 lbs AN-M65A1 Fin M129 💣 Bomb
Limits
Max Speed limit 1170 kph
Gear lmit 350 kph
Combat Flaps 620 kph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <850 kph
Rudder <600 kph
Elevators <650 kph
Radiator >250 kph
Limits
Max Speed limit 727 mph
Gear lmit 217 mph
Combat Flaps 385 mph
Max static +G's ~12
Max static -G's ~7
Optimal Velocities
Ailerons <528 mph
Rudder <373 mph
Elevators <404 mph
Radiator >155 mph
Manual Control
Mixer is not controllable
Pitch is not controllable
no automatic pitch
Radiator (water) is not controllable
Radiator (oil) is not controllable
Oil and water uses combined radiator control
Supercharger is not controllable
Turbocharger is not controllable
* Warning this is still in the test phase and can be incorrect. Take information with a grain of salt (data from 1.57 initial release)