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| usage = other versions
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| link = P-47 (Family)
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_P-47D-27_USSR.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a reward for the Operation Shipyard event.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.43]]. This aircraft is a Soviet lend-lease version of the iconic American [[P-47D-25]], with only minor differences including a camouflage colour scheme and Russian forged and welded FAB bombs weighed in kilograms instead of the American bombs AN-M series bombs weighed in pounds.
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The fighter does, however, retain the eight deadly 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns which this fighter is renowned for, easily ripping off wings and also setting fuel tanks ablaze. The fighter's overall good energy retention makes this an excellent Boom & Zoom fighter but is restricted by its slow initial climbing ability. To counter the slow climb, side climbing at the start is recommended if looking for an altitude advantage to make the most use out of Boom & Zoom. This fighter also doubles as a great ground attacker, mounting an impressive payload (1,250 kg total!), unfortunately, the US did not include HVAR rockets with the lend-lease package, thus they are not available for the Soviet version.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
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=== Flight performance ===
'''Note:'''
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
 
 
* Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick.
 
* 10 mm structural steel located behind ammunition racks.
 
* 10 mm structural steel located on the right side of the auto-loader rack.
 
*  [[Browning M2 (12.7 mm)|(12.7 mm)]] can penetrate the the side armour at a specific point and possible kill the driver and gunner.
 
 
 
=== Mobility ===
 
The VT1-2 has the ability to climb to speeds of 70 km/h in a matter of seconds, on the other hand, reversing is also very good with a top speed of 70 km/h.
 
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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! Weight (tons)
 
! Add-on armour<br>weight (tons)
 
! Max speed (km/h)
 
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| rowspan="2" | 43.5 || rowspan="2" | N/A
 
| 76 (AB)
 
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| 70 (RB/SB)
 
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
 
|-
 
|-
! Mode !! Stock !! Upgraded
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 9,144 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
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|-
| ''Arcade'' || ??? || ???
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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| ''Realistic/Simulator'' || ??? || 2,200
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| 676 || 657 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 27.2 || 7.3 || 7.3 || 600
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
|-
 
|-
! Mode !! Stock !! Upgraded
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 9,144 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
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|-
| ''Arcade'' || ??.?? || ??.??
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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| ''Realistic/Simulator'' || ??.?? || 50.57
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| 729 || 700 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.8 || 25.0 || 15 || 10.6 || 600
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
== Armaments ==
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==== Details ====
=== Main armament ===
 
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{{main|Rheinmetall L44 (120 mm)}}
 
 
 
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
! colspan="6" | Duel [[Rheinmetall L44 (120 mm)|120 mm Rheinmetall L44]]
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! colspan="5" | Features
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! colspan="3" | Capacity
 
! Vertical<br>guidance
 
! Horizontal<br>guidance
 
! Stabilizer
 
 
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| colspan="3" | 18 || -10°/+15° || N/A || Two-plane
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
 
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! colspan="5" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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| || || || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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! Part
 
! Stock
 
! Prior +<br>Full crew
 
! Prior +<br>Expert qualif.
 
! Prior +<br>Ace qualif.
 
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|Left barrel<br>Right barrel || 5.00<br>7.80 || 5.00<br>__.__ || 5.00<br>__.__ || 5.00<br>__.__
 
 
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==== Ammunition ====
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
 
 
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|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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! colspan="5" | Limits
 
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| DM12 || HEATFS || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps<br>(km/h)
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! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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| DM13 || APFSDS || 393 || 390 || 384 || 376 || 367 || 359
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! + !! -
 
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| DM23 || APFSDS || 410 || 408 || 401 || 393 || 384 || 376
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| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 520 || ~12 || ~5
 
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|}
 
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 
! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
 
! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
 
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
 
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 
! rowspan="2" | Normalisation at 30°<br>from horizontal
 
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 
 
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|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
 
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| DM12 || HEATFS || 1,140 || 13.5 || N/A || 0.1 || 1640 || +0.0° || 65° || 72° || 75°
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
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| DM13 || APFSDS || 1,650 || 4.436 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ?.?° || 78° || 80° || 81°
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| < 402 || < 420 || < 470 || > 335
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| DM23 || APFSDS || 1,640 || 4.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ?.?° || 78° || 80° || 81°
 
 
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|}
  
==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 
<!-- [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]] -->
 
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! Full<br>ammo
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
! 1st<br>rack empty
 
! 2nd<br>rack empty
 
! 3rd<br>rack empty
 
! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
 
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| '''30''' || 6 ''(+12)'' || 12 || 12 || No
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! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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|}
 
 
 
==== [[Optics]] ====
 
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! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
 
 
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|-
!
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! Optimal altitude
! Default magnification
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! 100% Engine power
! Maximum magnification
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! WEP Engine power
 
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|-
! Main Gun optics
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| 8,500 m || 2,000 hp || 2,300 hp
| X8.0 || X16.1
 
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 38 mm of bulletproof glass in cockpit
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* 9.5 mm steel under bulletproof glass in cockpit
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* 9.5 mm steel behind pilot's seat
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== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|Browning M2 (12.7 mm)}}
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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* 8 x 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns, wing-mounted (425 rpg = 3,400 total)
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=== Suspended armament ===
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{{main|FAB-250M43 (250 kg)|FAB-500 (500 kg)}}
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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* Without load
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* 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bomb (250 kg total)
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* 2 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs (1,000 kg total)
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* 2 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs + 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bomb (1,250 kg total)
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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As with the normal P-47D-25, the D-27 can be used one of two modes, first as an excellent Boom & Zoom fighter, using its great energy retention and amazing armament against high flying bombers and fighters. Another option is as a fighter bomber, utilising the impressive payload and adequate diving characteristics of the P-47 (be aware of dropping order of the bombs, the 500 kg bombs drop first and then the 250 kg under the fuselage is dropped). The 500 kg bombs are able to make short work of any tank whether light or heavy in its tier, but the 250 kg bomb can only provide enough explosive power to destroy softer targets, like armoured cars and SPAA. The way both 500 kg bombs drop should either be used against a group of tanks (combined battles) or against large pillboxes. Other than that, the P-47 can be used in multiple roles, unfortunately, using bombs restricts flight to only staying at a low level where the P-47's engine is less effective.
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If you are using it as a high altitude fighter initially side climbing is recommended, as you gain a vast advantage over other enemies. The hit and run tactics work best for the P-47, singling out a lone fighter below you, diving towards them and a 2-second burst from the M2 Brownings will most likely destroy them. Always try to avoid a head-on engagement, as your engine is exposed from the front and most likely break down if something manages to hit it. If you are willing to engage a heavy bomber main targets should be the wings and elevators, as they are easy targets for the P-47.
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'''Simulator / EC'''
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In Simulator / Enduring Confrontation, bulkier planes that suffer in AB & RB shine and that of course includes the P-47. Sitting at BR 3.7, the lowest BR for rank 3 EC, it can respawn infinitely which makes it a great learning platform for new EC players. In Sim, the P-47 has stable control handling, all-round unobstructed vision and fast speed, and it offers a wide range of additional armaments of bombs plus the original 8 x .50 cal, meaning it is an excellent multi-role aircraft. It can perform base-bombing, ground pounding, bomber intercepting and traditional BnZ fighting.
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For base bombing, choose the maximum setup of 1 x 250 kg, and 2 x 500 kg bombs to maximise the damage. The fastest way to get to a base is to remain at tree-top level upon taking off. This way there is no need to climb so the P-47 can pick up quite some speed like that, even with the full bombload. It is also harder to be seen, since the P-47's dark colour will blend in with the ground for some maps. When approaching the base, check its position with the minimap to ensure it's the right target. When the base fills up the gunsight, pull up to around 500 m and then dive at the base at a rather shallow angle. When the gunsight slices past the furthest edge of the base, release all the bombs, bank to the direction of the nearest friendly airfield, descend back to tree-top level and fly back. If you are lucky, you might even catch some enemy bombers that just took-off from a nearby airfield. They will be some nice RP for you. Overall, base bombing is the safest way to get rewards.
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For ground pounding, you can choose to take the full bombload if you want. Use the bombs and rockets to take out pillboxes and tanks. The aiming method for bombs is pretty similar to base bombing, but there are differences for the 250 kg and 500 kg, as their drop are different and you want to adapt the aim to be more precise, because now the targets are much smaller. Dive at a shallow angle to approach the target, try to get as close as possible but avoid crashing into the ground. When the gunsight slices through and just above the target, drop the 500 kg bombs. When the target is at the center of the gunsight and fills up around 1/3 of it, release the 250 kg. The 8 MGs are perfect for killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.
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You want to be more careful when hunting bombers, since with the Sim control (whether it be mouse joystick or a real stick) the plane will manoeuvre much more gently, making itself a great target for the bomber's gunners. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets. The big radial engine of the P-47 will usually get damaged. Instead, before launching an attack, get an altitude advantage over the bomber by flying around 2 km above it. The bomber should only fill up about 1/6 of your gunsight. The best position for an attack is at the bomber's high 6 so you can adjust the lead much easier. Dive at the bomber, but not directly at it, try to predict where you two will crash by imagining yourself as a missile, that's where you should aim at (deflection shooting). To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window might seems inadequate to do anything, but the 8 MG on the P-47 are actually quite destructive, as sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame.
  
The VT 1-2 excels at when it comes to acceleration, high speed and low profile. This provides the opportunity to move into sniping positions early in the game or even capture midpoints. The tank is easily destroyed and should be played as if it was a glass cannon, i.e. you stay behind cover/concealment and scan the area using binoculars and/or the third-person view and then only moving into firing position when the coast is clear.
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As for dogfighting, because almost all aerial battles in Sim occurs at below 3,000 m, the P-47 can easily climb to this altitude and gather up lots of speed before engaging a battle. The tactic is similar to the RB one above. If, unfortunately, you find yourself being chased at your 6 and you don't know how to do any defensive manoeuvres, do a large, smooth turn towards the nearest friendly airfield to avoid bleeding too much speed. Then shallow-dive towards your airfield. The P-47 can quite easily outrun opponents like the A6M or Bf-109 E, but struggles to outrun Bf-109 F/G, FW-190 A or other P-47. Another way of disengaging is to do a sudden split-S to dodge under the chaser. Average Sim players will now try and see where you went, if not immediately losing track of you. You can then run for your airfield or shallow climb for another attack.
  
'''Engaging the enemy'''
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'''Enemies worth noting:'''
  
Since the left barrel reloads at a constant 5-second rate and the right barrel in around 7 seconds, you can fire 3 shots within 5 seconds (left, right, left again) in the first engagement which lets you easily correct any error in distance estimation and/or finish off immobilized tanks. Using a custom sight from live.warthunder.com like https://live.warthunder.com/post/861278/en/ is recommended in order to be able to quickly fire the second barrel without having to switch between armaments.
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* [[Me 264]]: This giant is one of the few bombers who get air spawns in Sim, so it usually flies higher than you think. On top of this, the Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be weary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage.
  
'''Things to be aware of'''
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* [[Bf 110 (Family)|Bf 110]], [[Ki-45 (Family)|Ki-45]], [[A-26 (Family)|A-26]]: As mentioned before, those twin engine aircraft are a big threat since their lack of manoeuvrability comparing to single engine fighters are minimised in Sim. They are usually armed with heavy guns & cannons in the nose, so an accurate burst will tear any plane apart, including the P-47. The P-47 manoeuvres rather sluggishly and you might get out-turned from even those heavy fighters, so engage them with either altitude or speed advantage to avoid being targeted. If they are not manoeuvring aggressively, aim for their wings or engines. If the fight is intense and you cannot smooth the aim, just burst anywhere as long as you hit them, the 12.7 mm bullets will damage their flight models quite a bit.
  
Be aware of guided missiles from helicopters on open maps, though. If you see helicopters, you might need to change plans and hide. Furthermore, if you have sniped 2+ enemies, the revenge plane is a common sight and you are an easy target for them unless you change position and move into a forest or populated area.
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
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|-
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Mixer
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
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! Oil !! Water !! Type
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|-
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| Controllable || Controllable<br>Auto control available || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable<br>1 gear || Auto controlled
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|}
  
 
=== Modules ===
 
=== Modules ===
'''Recommended research path:'''
 
 
Parts > FPE > Adjustment of Fire (absolutely necessary for sniping) > Brake System (in order to be able to react and aim) > Filters | Elevation Mechanism > DM23 | Laser rangefinder
 
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
! Tier
 
! Tier
! colspan="2" |Mobility
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! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! Protection
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! Survivability
! colspan="3" |Firepower
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! colspan="2" | Weaponry
 
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|-
 
| I
 
| I
| Tracks
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| Fuselage repair
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| Radiator
| Parts
 
| DM13
 
 
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| Offensive 12 mm
 
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|
 
|-
 
|-
 
| II
 
| II
| Suspension
 
| Brake System
 
| FPE
 
| Adjustment of Fire
 
 
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|
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| Compressor
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| Airframe
 
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|
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| FMBC mk.1
 
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|-
 
| III
 
| III
| Filters
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| Wings repair
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| Engine
| Crew Replenishment
 
| Elevation Mechanism
 
 
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| New 12 mm MGs
 
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| IV
 
| IV
| Transmission
 
| Engine
 
 
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| DM23
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| Engine injection
| Laser rangefinder
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| Cover
| NVD
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| FLBC mk.1
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! colspan="6" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
* Incredibly good mobility on and off road, courtesy of its extremely powerful engine
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* Excellent multi-role fighter in the Soviet tree
* Twin 120 mm cannons are unrivalled at its rank:
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* Outstanding payload (1,250 kg total!)
** HEAT-FS and APFSDS can penetrate almost any tank it encounters
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* 4 x Browning M2's on each wing will make short work of any fighter/attacker
** Able to shoot 3 times within 5 seconds
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* Plenty of ammo provides 33 seconds of sustained fire
** One cannon is equipped with an autoloader
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* Bubble canopy provides excellent view (SB)
* Very quick hull traverse
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* Amazing energy retention makes it an excellent diver
* Due to the gun layout, the {{PAGENAME}} can position itself to fire one cannon while the other is behind cover
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* Low repair cost
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
* Thin, mild steel armour cannot resist anything resembling anti-tank fire
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* Heavy fighter, sluggish and difficult to manoeuvre at slow speeds
* 3 crew members are grouped together in the front of the tank, poor survivability
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* Bad turning ability
* Cannons cannot traverse horizontally, hull aiming mechanic must be used for precise fire
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* Engine performance is worse in low altitudes
* Very difficult to fire on the move
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* Worse performance when mounting bombs
* No machine guns for fending off aircraft, highly vulnerable to air attack
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* Slow climbing
* No access to smoke grenades/shells/systems
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* Larger than the average fighter
* Due to hull aiming, the hull tends to roll back or forward depending on terrain
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* Bomb drop order makes it less viable for prolonged ground attacking
* When loading ammo on a capture point, the left ammo rack is fully loaded first, then the right ammo rack.
 
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
The project for an experimental turretless tank was started for development in Germany in the early 70’s as part of the replacement program for the Leopard 1. The unusual layout of the “casemate” tank type had several advantages: the possibility of installing two cannons at once, increased protection due to low silhouette and enhanced protection in the hull front profile and also increased mobility due to a reduced weight compared to traditional tanks. As part of this innovative project, two vehicles were built under the general name of  Versuchsträger (German: experimental platform). The first VT1-1 prototype was placed on a shortened chassis and was equipped with two 105mm rifled cannons with manual loading. 
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On the second VT1-2, two 120 mm calibre smoothbore cannons were used - the left cannon mounted with an automatic loader mechanism. Both of these prototypes used a number of parts and assemblies from the European “long-term production” experimental KPz-70. Since both vehicles were intended exclusively for the testing and development of new battle tactics, they were made from structural non-armour steel. Tests carried out by several NATO block countries, but they all left the project one by one and in 1985, Germany itself refused further development in favour of developing the Leopard 2 which was created according to a classic tank scheme.
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''- From [[wt:en/news/6400-operation-shipyard-vt1-2-doppelrohr-kasemattpanzer-en|News]]''
 
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_425jH2a48 - Review of the VT1-2
 
 
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This page is about the premium fighter P-47D-27 (USSR). For other versions, see P-47 (Family).

Description

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The ▂P-47D-27 Thunderbolt is a premium rank III Russian fighter with a battle rating of 3.7 (AB/SB) and 4.3 (RB). It was introduced in Update 1.43. This aircraft is a Soviet lend-lease version of the iconic American P-47D-25, with only minor differences including a camouflage colour scheme and Russian forged and welded FAB bombs weighed in kilograms instead of the American bombs AN-M series bombs weighed in pounds.

The fighter does, however, retain the eight deadly 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns which this fighter is renowned for, easily ripping off wings and also setting fuel tanks ablaze. The fighter's overall good energy retention makes this an excellent Boom & Zoom fighter but is restricted by its slow initial climbing ability. To counter the slow climb, side climbing at the start is recommended if looking for an altitude advantage to make the most use out of Boom & Zoom. This fighter also doubles as a great ground attacker, mounting an impressive payload (1,250 kg total!), unfortunately, the US did not include HVAR rockets with the lend-lease package, thus they are not available for the Soviet version.

General info

Flight performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 9,144 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
676 657 12200 26.2 27.2 7.3 7.3 600
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 9,144 m)
Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
729 700 12200 23.8 25.0 15 10.6 600

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h)
Gear limit
(km/h)
Combat flaps
(km/h)
Max Static G
+ -
520 ~12 ~5
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h)
Rudder
(km/h)
Elevators
(km/h)
Radiator
(km/h)
< 402 < 420 < 470 > 335
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
8,500 m 2,000 hp 2,300 hp

Survivability and armour

  • 38 mm of bulletproof glass in cockpit
  • 9.5 mm steel under bulletproof glass in cockpit
  • 9.5 mm steel behind pilot's seat

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Browning M2 (12.7 mm)

The P-47D-27 (USSR) is armed with:

  • 8 x 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns, wing-mounted (425 rpg = 3,400 total)

Suspended armament

The P-47D-27 (USSR) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bomb (250 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs + 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bomb (1,250 kg total)

Usage in battles

As with the normal P-47D-25, the D-27 can be used one of two modes, first as an excellent Boom & Zoom fighter, using its great energy retention and amazing armament against high flying bombers and fighters. Another option is as a fighter bomber, utilising the impressive payload and adequate diving characteristics of the P-47 (be aware of dropping order of the bombs, the 500 kg bombs drop first and then the 250 kg under the fuselage is dropped). The 500 kg bombs are able to make short work of any tank whether light or heavy in its tier, but the 250 kg bomb can only provide enough explosive power to destroy softer targets, like armoured cars and SPAA. The way both 500 kg bombs drop should either be used against a group of tanks (combined battles) or against large pillboxes. Other than that, the P-47 can be used in multiple roles, unfortunately, using bombs restricts flight to only staying at a low level where the P-47's engine is less effective.

If you are using it as a high altitude fighter initially side climbing is recommended, as you gain a vast advantage over other enemies. The hit and run tactics work best for the P-47, singling out a lone fighter below you, diving towards them and a 2-second burst from the M2 Brownings will most likely destroy them. Always try to avoid a head-on engagement, as your engine is exposed from the front and most likely break down if something manages to hit it. If you are willing to engage a heavy bomber main targets should be the wings and elevators, as they are easy targets for the P-47.

Simulator / EC

In Simulator / Enduring Confrontation, bulkier planes that suffer in AB & RB shine and that of course includes the P-47. Sitting at BR 3.7, the lowest BR for rank 3 EC, it can respawn infinitely which makes it a great learning platform for new EC players. In Sim, the P-47 has stable control handling, all-round unobstructed vision and fast speed, and it offers a wide range of additional armaments of bombs plus the original 8 x .50 cal, meaning it is an excellent multi-role aircraft. It can perform base-bombing, ground pounding, bomber intercepting and traditional BnZ fighting.

For base bombing, choose the maximum setup of 1 x 250 kg, and 2 x 500 kg bombs to maximise the damage. The fastest way to get to a base is to remain at tree-top level upon taking off. This way there is no need to climb so the P-47 can pick up quite some speed like that, even with the full bombload. It is also harder to be seen, since the P-47's dark colour will blend in with the ground for some maps. When approaching the base, check its position with the minimap to ensure it's the right target. When the base fills up the gunsight, pull up to around 500 m and then dive at the base at a rather shallow angle. When the gunsight slices past the furthest edge of the base, release all the bombs, bank to the direction of the nearest friendly airfield, descend back to tree-top level and fly back. If you are lucky, you might even catch some enemy bombers that just took-off from a nearby airfield. They will be some nice RP for you. Overall, base bombing is the safest way to get rewards.

For ground pounding, you can choose to take the full bombload if you want. Use the bombs and rockets to take out pillboxes and tanks. The aiming method for bombs is pretty similar to base bombing, but there are differences for the 250 kg and 500 kg, as their drop are different and you want to adapt the aim to be more precise, because now the targets are much smaller. Dive at a shallow angle to approach the target, try to get as close as possible but avoid crashing into the ground. When the gunsight slices through and just above the target, drop the 500 kg bombs. When the target is at the center of the gunsight and fills up around 1/3 of it, release the 250 kg. The 8 MGs are perfect for killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

You want to be more careful when hunting bombers, since with the Sim control (whether it be mouse joystick or a real stick) the plane will manoeuvre much more gently, making itself a great target for the bomber's gunners. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets. The big radial engine of the P-47 will usually get damaged. Instead, before launching an attack, get an altitude advantage over the bomber by flying around 2 km above it. The bomber should only fill up about 1/6 of your gunsight. The best position for an attack is at the bomber's high 6 so you can adjust the lead much easier. Dive at the bomber, but not directly at it, try to predict where you two will crash by imagining yourself as a missile, that's where you should aim at (deflection shooting). To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window might seems inadequate to do anything, but the 8 MG on the P-47 are actually quite destructive, as sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame.

As for dogfighting, because almost all aerial battles in Sim occurs at below 3,000 m, the P-47 can easily climb to this altitude and gather up lots of speed before engaging a battle. The tactic is similar to the RB one above. If, unfortunately, you find yourself being chased at your 6 and you don't know how to do any defensive manoeuvres, do a large, smooth turn towards the nearest friendly airfield to avoid bleeding too much speed. Then shallow-dive towards your airfield. The P-47 can quite easily outrun opponents like the A6M or Bf-109 E, but struggles to outrun Bf-109 F/G, FW-190 A or other P-47. Another way of disengaging is to do a sudden split-S to dodge under the chaser. Average Sim players will now try and see where you went, if not immediately losing track of you. You can then run for your airfield or shallow climb for another attack.

Enemies worth noting:

  • Me 264: This giant is one of the few bombers who get air spawns in Sim, so it usually flies higher than you think. On top of this, the Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be weary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage.
  • Bf 110Ki-45A-26: As mentioned before, those twin engine aircraft are a big threat since their lack of manoeuvrability comparing to single engine fighters are minimised in Sim. They are usually armed with heavy guns & cannons in the nose, so an accurate burst will tear any plane apart, including the P-47. The P-47 manoeuvres rather sluggishly and you might get out-turned from even those heavy fighters, so engage them with either altitude or speed advantage to avoid being targeted. If they are not manoeuvring aggressively, aim for their wings or engines. If the fight is intense and you cannot smooth the aim, just burst anywhere as long as you hit them, the 12.7 mm bullets will damage their flight models quite a bit.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Auto control available
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Controllable
1 gear
Auto controlled

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Radiator Offensive 12 mm
II Compressor Airframe FMBC mk.1
III Wings repair Engine New 12 mm MGs
IV Engine injection Cover FLBC mk.1
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent multi-role fighter in the Soviet tree
  • Outstanding payload (1,250 kg total!)
  • 4 x Browning M2's on each wing will make short work of any fighter/attacker
  • Plenty of ammo provides 33 seconds of sustained fire
  • Bubble canopy provides excellent view (SB)
  • Amazing energy retention makes it an excellent diver
  • Low repair cost

Cons:

  • Heavy fighter, sluggish and difficult to manoeuvre at slow speeds
  • Bad turning ability
  • Engine performance is worse in low altitudes
  • Worse performance when mounting bombs
  • Slow climbing
  • Larger than the average fighter
  • Bomb drop order makes it less viable for prolonged ground attacking

History

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Media

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See also

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External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the aircraft;
  • other literature.


Republic Aviation Corporation
Fighters  P-43A-1
  P-47D-22-RE · P-47D-25 · P-47D-28 · P-47M-1-RE · ⋠P-47M-1-RE · P-47N-15
Jet Aircraft  F-84B-26 · F-84F · F-84G-21-RE
  F-105D
Export  J9 Early*
  ␗P-43A-1
  ▄Thunderbolt Mk.1 · ▄P-47D-22-RE · ␗P-47D-23-RA · ▂P-47D-27 · ␗P-47D-30 · ▄P-47D-30
  ◄F-84F · ▄F-84F (Italy) · ▄F-84F (France) · F-84F IAF · F-84F
  ␗F-84G-21-RE · ▄F-84G-21-RE · ▄F-84G-26-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE
Captured  ▀P-47D-16-RE · ▀P-47D
  *The company was named "Seversky Aircraft Company" before being renamed in 1939

USSR fighters
I-15  I-15 WR · I-15 M-22 · I-15 M-25 · I-15bis · Krasnolutsky's I-15bis
  I-153 M-62 · Zhukovsky's I-153-M62 · I-153P
I-16  I-16 type 5 · I-16 type 10 · I-16 type 18 · I-16 type 24 · I-16 type 27 · I-16 type 28 · I-180S
I-29  I-29
I-185  I-185 (M-71) · I-185 (M-82)
I-225  I-225
ITP  ITP (M-1)
MiG-3  MiG-3-15 · MiG-3-15 (BK) · MiG-3-34
LaGG  I-301 · LaGG-3-4 · LaGG-3-8 · LaGG-3-11 · LaGG-3-23 · LaGG-3-34 · LaGG-3-35 · LaGG-3-66
La  La-5 · La-5F · La-5FN · La-7 · Dolgushin's La-7 · La-7B-20 · La-9 · La-11
Yak-1/7  Yak-1 · Yak-1B · Yak-7B
Yak-3  Yak-3 · Yak-3P · Yak-3T · Yak-3U · Yak-3 (VK-107)
Yak-9  Yak-9 · Yak-9B · Golovachev's Yak-9M · Yak-9T · Yak-9K · Yak-9U · Yak-9UT · Yak-9P
Other countries  ▂P-40E-1 · ▂P-47D-27 · ▂Hurricane Mk IIB · ▂Fw 190 D-9 · ▂Spitfire Mk IXc
P-39  ▂P-39K-1 · ▂Pokryshkin's P-39N-0 · ▂P-39Q-15
P-63  ▂P-63A-5 · ▂P-63A-10 · ▂P-63C-5

USSR premium aircraft
Fighters  Krasnolutsky's I-15bis · I-16 type 28 · Zhukovsky's I-153-M62 · I-153P · I-180S · I-301 · ITP (M-1)
  LaGG-3-4 · LaGG-3-23 · LaGG-3-34 · Dolgushin's La-7 · La-11
  Yak-3 (VK-107) · Yak-3T · Golovachev's Yak-9M
  ▂P-39K-1 · ▂Pokryshkin's P-39N-0 · ▂P-39Q-15 · ▂P-40E-1 · ▂P-47D-27 · ▂P-63A-5 · ▂P-63A-10 · ▂P-63C-5
  ▂Hurricane Mk IIB · ▂Spitfire Mk IXc · ▂Fw 190 D-9
Twin-engine fighters  I-29
Jet fighters  Su-11 · MiG-15bis ISH · MiG-17AS · MiG-21S (R-13-300) · MiG-23ML
Strike aircraft  IL-2M "Avenger" · IL-2 M-82 · IL-8 (1944) · Su-6 · Tandem MAI · TIS MA · Su-8 · Tu-1
  Yak-38 · Su-7BMK · Su-25K · Su-39
Bombers  Po-2M · Be-6 · MBR-2-M-34 · Pe-2-205 · TB-3M-17-32
  ▂PBY-5A Catalina · ▂Hampden TB Mk I · ▂A-20G-30 · ▂B-25J-30