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== Description ==
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''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''
  
== Mobility template ==
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=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
  
Hello, I've been using the Mobility Template [[Template:TankMobility]] lately but I've noticed a lot of discrepancies between in-game values and the wiki.
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|f4u-7}}
  
=== US tree (finished) ===
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Jet fighters'''}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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{{Navigation-Line|Britain}}{{Specs-Link|hunter_f6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hunter_f9_rhodesia}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f-4m_fgr2}}
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{{Navigation-Line|Italy}}{{Specs-Link|fiat_g91_r3}}
! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight
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{{Navigation-Line|France}}{{Specs-Link|md_450b_barougan}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|md_452_mystere_2c_preproduction}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|md_460}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|etndard_4m}}
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 
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| [[M13 MGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || ||
 
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| [[M3 GMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || ||
 
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| [[M16 MGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || ||
 
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| [[M8 Greyhound]] || 159 HP || 210 HP || ||
 
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| [[M10 GMC]] || 717 HP || 782 HP || ||
 
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| [[LVT(A)(4) ZIS-2 (USA)]] || 437 HP || 477 HP || ||
 
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| [[M6A1]] || 1272 HP || 1526 HP || ||
 
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| [[M15A1 CGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || ||
 
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| [[M18 GMC]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || ||
 
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| [[M4A3E2]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[M18 "Black Cat"]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || ||
 
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| [[Cobra King]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[M4A3E2 (76) W]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[M19]] || 518 HP || 565 HP || ||
 
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| [[M36 GMC]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[M56]] || 350 HP || 382 HP || ||
 
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| [[T26E1-1]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[Super Hellcat]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || ||
 
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| [[T34]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || 65.8t || 65.1t
 
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| [[T29]] || 1224 HP || 1469 HP || ||
 
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| [[T30]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || 65.8t || 65.1t
 
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| [[T32]] || 1228 HP || 1469 HP || ||
 
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| [[T32E1]] || 1228 HP || 1469 HP || ||
 
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| [[M42]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[T95]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
 
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| [[T114]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || ||
 
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| [[M103]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || ||
 
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| [[M163]] || || || 11.0t || 11.2t
 
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| [[M247]] || 1310 HP || 1431 HP || ||
 
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| [[XM-803]] || 2356 HP || 2385 HP || ||
 
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| [[M1 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || ||
 
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| [[IPM1]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || ||
 
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| [[M1A1 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || ||
 
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| [[ADATS]] || || || 23.7t || 25.0t
 
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| [[M1A2 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || ||
 
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[[XM-1 (Chrysler)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
 
  
=== German tree (finished)===
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Jet bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|so_4050_vautour_2a}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight
 
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 
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| [[Pz.III B]] || 334 HP || 477 HP || ||
 
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| [[Flakpanzer I]] || 100 HP || 109 HP || ||
 
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| [[Panzerjager I]] || 175 HP || 191 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Flakpanzer 38]] || 262 HP || 286 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Sd.Kfz.234/3]] || 367 HP || 401 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[15cm sIG 33 B Sfl]] || 271 HP || 296 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Pz.III J]] ||  ||  || 21.8t || 21.3t
 
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| [[StuG III A]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Pz.III J1]] ||  ||  || 21.8t || 21.3t
 
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| [[Sd.Kfz. 6/2]] || 201 HP || 219 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[StuH 42 G]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Sd.Kfz.234/4]] || 367 HP || 401 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Marder III]] || 280 HP || 305 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Marder III H]] || 262 HP || 286 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[StuG III F]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.]] || 402 HP || 439 HP || 24.3t || 25.0t
 
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| [[StuG III G]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[15 cm Pz.W.42]] || 119 HP || 130 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Dicker Max]] || 315 HP || 343 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger H1]] || 1033 HP || 1240 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Wirbelwind]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Jagdpanzer 38(t)]] || 280 HP || 305 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[KV-IB (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Sturer Emil]] || 542 HP || 591 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger E]] || 1133 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Ostwind]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Jagdpanzer IV]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[KV II 754 (r) (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Pz.Kpfw. Churchill (Germany)]] || 556 HP || 668 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Nashorn]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || 24.3t || 23.5t
 
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| [[Panzer IV/70(V)]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Panzer IV/70(A)]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Brummbar|Brummbär]] || 463 HP || 506 HP || 27.8t || 28.2t
 
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| [[VFW]] || 630 HP || 687 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[KV I C 756 (r) (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[VK 45.01 (P)]] || 984 HP || 1183 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger (Germany)]] || 1033 HP || 1240 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Waffentrager|Waffenträger]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || 16.3t || 17.0t
 
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| [[Tiger II (P)]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Ostwind II]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Jagdpanther]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Bfw. Jagdpanther]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger II (H) Sla.16]] || 1191 HP || 1431 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger II (H)]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Ferdinand]] || 926 HP || 1011 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P]] || 841 HP || 1011 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Flakpanzer 341]] || 1048 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[JPz 4-5]] || 874 HP || 954 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Kugelblitz]] || 525 HP || 572 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Jagdtiger]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K)]] || 1431 HP || 1717 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[E-100]] || 1431 HP || 1717 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Maus]] || 1905 HP || 2290 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[RakJPz 2]] || 874 HP || 954 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[RakJPz 2 (HOT)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Gepard]] || 1450 HP || 1584 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[VT1-2]] || ???? HP || 4197 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Leopard 2K]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Leopard 2A4]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[Leopard 2A5]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP ||  ||
 
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| [[FlaRakPz 1]] || 1048 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||
 
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[[M4 748 (a) (Germany)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
 
  
=== Italian tree (in progress)===
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Attack helicopters'''}}{{Specs-Link|tiger_had_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|tiger_hap_france}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight
 
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 
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| [[Breda 501]] || 248 HP || 271 HP || ||
 
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| [[R3 T20 FA-HS]] || 166 HP || 181 HP || ||
 
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| [[105/25 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || ||
 
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| [[75/34 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || ||
 
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| [[75/46 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || ||
 
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| [[AUBL/74]] || || || 8.2t || 8.5t
 
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| [[R3 T106 FA]] || || || 3.4t || 3.5t
 
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| [[Centauro]] || || || 25.0t || 27.0t
 
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| [[Centauro ROMOR]] || || || 28.0t || 30.0t
 
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| [[Ariete (P)]] || || || 53.0t || 53.8t
 
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[[M43 "G.C.Leoncello"]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
 
  
Is there a way to correct that? --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 20:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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: Hello. The R3 T106 FA discrepancy is due to a difference in rounding strategies between the wiki and the game. Any values that are automatically inserted and seem to be off by +- 1 on the last digit are likely just rounding errors, and I'm not sure how much can be done to remedy them. As for the other values, I will see if we can get the database maintainer to check/correct the values. Could you check your values for M4 Tipo IC, as they don't seem to agree with either the game or the wiki. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:: My bad, it was the Breda 501 and not the M4 tipo Ic. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 22:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::: I added the next discrepancies I found to the list. HP values are for Arcade Spaded. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 13:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::This is the guy in charge of the numbers [[User:U36063762]]--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 00:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::There's nothing wrong with continuing updating the list here, however (unless DnaGonite is getting annoyed by the new talk notifications). The list has already been forwarded for investigation.--[[User:U28580205|U28580205]] ([[User talk:U28580205|talk]]) 08:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::: I updated the whole US tree but I do not have vehicles at BR 6.7 and above upgraded so I still reported the discrepancies I noticed at those tiers but I can't confirm them. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 14:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::: Thanks for all your hard work! But how do you know they are discrepancies if you don't have them spaded? -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 15:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::: Based on the numbers that were in the wiki already, the fact that many tanks use the same engine (M60 family, M1 family, etc.) and the fact that the difference between HP Stock and Upgraded is a multiplier of around 1.23. But feel free to recheck the end of the list or have it rechecked by someone owning the tanks. I have everything spaded until BR 6.3 included (and also the T30). --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 15:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Naval weapons charts ==
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== General info ==
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''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the rocket.''
  
Few days back I added Penetration statistics and Shell details to [[:3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm)|3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm)]]. I want to ask If that is right way or I should add it directly to correct armament section on vehicle page that is using it? Same like tanks. Thanks -[[User:U6133915|U6133915]] ([[User talk:U6133915|talk]]) 07:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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=== Effective damage ===
: I don't see any harm in adding to both pages. The weapon pages are designed to be a more detailed overview of the weapon, but it's still useful information to be able to see when looking at a specific vehicle. The only problem I could see is if the ship has large amounts of different secondary/anti-air armaments, in which case the tables may overly bloat the page, but that shouldn't apply to the large majority of vehicles. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 10:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of rocket (high explosive, splash damage, etc)''
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=== Comparison with analogues ===
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''Give a comparative description of rockets that have firepower equal to this weapon.''
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== Usage in battles ==
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''Describe situations when you would utilise this rocket in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''
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=== Pros and cons ===
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''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''
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'''Pros:'''
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'''Cons:'''
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*
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== History ==
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''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
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== Media ==
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''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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== See also ==
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
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* ''reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;''
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* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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== External links ==
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
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* ''other literature.''
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{{Rockets}}
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[[Category:Suspended armaments]]

Revision as of 17:42, 8 March 2020

Description

Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

Vehicles equipped with this weapon
Fighters  F4U-7
Jet fighters 
Britain  Hunter F.6 · Hunter FGA.9 · Phantom FGR.2
Italy  ◄G.91 R/3
France  M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.452 IIC · Super Mystere B2 · Etendard IVM
Jet bombers  S.O.4050 Vautour IIA · Vautour IIA IDF/AF
Attack helicopters  EC-665 Tiger HAD · EC-665 Tiger HAP

General info

Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the rocket.

Effective damage

Describe the type of damage produced by this type of rocket (high explosive, splash damage, etc)

Comparison with analogues

Give a comparative description of rockets that have firepower equal to this weapon.

Usage in battles

Describe situations when you would utilise this rocket in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.

Pros:

Cons:

History

Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />.

Media

An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;
  • references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the weapon;
  • other literature.


Rockets
USA 
70 mm  FFAR Mighty Mouse · Hydra-70 M247
110 mm  M8
127 mm  HVAR · Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP
298 mm  Tiny Tim
Germany 
55 mm  R4M
73 mm  RZ.65
88 mm  Pb2
150 mm  Wgr.41 Spr
210 mm  Wfr.Gr.21
USSR 
55 mm  S-5K · S-5KP · S-5M
80 mm  S-8KO · S-8M
82 mm  M-8 · ROS-82 · RBS-82
122 mm  S-13OF
127 mm  S-3K
132 mm  M13 · M-13UK · ROFS-132 · ROS-132 · RBS-132
212 mm  S-1of · S-21
240 mm  S-24 · S-24B
300 mm  M-31
420 mm  S-25O · S-25OF · S-25OFM
425 mm  TT-250
Britain 
51 mm  RP
70 mm  CRV7 M247
80 mm  Type R80 SURA T-80-P 3 · Type R80 SURA T-80-US 3
87 mm  AP Mk I · AP Mk II
152 mm  RP-3
183 mm  Triplex R.P.
292 mm  Uncle Tom · Red Angel
Japan 
100 mm  Type 5 No.1 Mod.9
120 mm  Type 3 No.1 Mod.28 Mk.1
130 mm  Type 75
210 mm  Type 3 No.6 Mod.27 Mk.1 · Type 5 No.6 Mod.9
China 
55 mm  Type 57-1
70 mm  FS70
90 mm  Type 90-1
130 mm  Type 130-2
Italy 
50 mm  ARF/8M3(AP-AT)
France 
68 mm  SNEB type 23 · TDA
70 mm  FZ49
100 mm  TBA ECC · TBA Multi-Dart 100 AB
120 mm  T10 140 · T10 151
Sweden 
75 mm  srak m/55 Frida · srak m/57B
81 mm  Oerlikon Typ 3Z 8Dla
135 mm  m/56D · psrak m/70
145 mm  psrak m/49B · Psrak m/49/56
150 mm  srak m/51
180 mm  hprak m/49
Israel 
80 mm  Flz.-Rakete Oerlikon
127 mm  AR