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| about = Chinese SPAA '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a reward for the Operation Shipyard event.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
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The VT1-2 was the outcome of a project envisioned to create a successor for the Leopard 1. Its main focus was on the importance of firepower and speed, hence the dual [[Rheinmetall L44 (120 mm)]] cannons and non-existent armour. However the VT1-2 is still a very effective tank at its battle rating, with the left cannon possessing an auto-loader the VT1-2 can shoot 3 shells in 5 seconds. Not to mention the type of shells the VT1-2 possess, in this case the DM12 HEAT-FS which has 650 mm of penetration. The VT1-2 also has one of the fast hull traverse rates and can reach the speeds of 70 km/h in a matter of seconds.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The VT1-2 has essentially no armour. With only 50 mm at the front, most incoming fire at its battle rating will result in the tank being potentially rendered useless or destroyed. Also the survivability of the crew is non-existent as all 3 crewmen are neatly lined up in a row, 1 nicely lined up shell would be enough to knock the crew out.
 
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{| class="wikitable"
 
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!Armour
 
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!Front (Slope angle)
 
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!Sides
 
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!Rear
 
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!Roof
 
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|Hull
 
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|80 mm ''Front glacis''
 
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110 mm ''Lower glacis''
 
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|50 mm ''Front''
 
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30 mm ''Rear''
 
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|30 mm
 
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|30 mm ''Front''
 
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20 mm ''Rear''
 
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[[File:VT1-2 12.7 mm incapacitation.png|right|thumb|400px]]
 
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'''Note:'''
 
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* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick and tracks are 20 mm thick.
 
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* 10 mm structural steel located behind ammunition racks.
 
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* 10 mm structural steel located on the right side of the auto-loader rack.
 
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* [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm machine guns]] can penetrate the the side armour at a specific point and possible kill the driver and gunner.
 
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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The VT1-2 has the ability to climb to speeds of 70 km/h in a matter of seconds, on the other hand, reversing is also very good with a top speed of 70 km/h.
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
 
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! Weight (tons)
 
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! Add-on armour<br>weight (tons)
 
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! Max speed (km/h)
 
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| rowspan="2" | 43.5 || rowspan="2" | N/A
 
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| 76 (AB)
 
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| 70 (RB/SB)
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
 
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! Mode !! Stock !! Upgraded
 
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| ''Arcade'' || ??? || ???
 
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| ''Realistic/Simulator'' || ??? || 2,200
 
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! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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! Mode !! Stock !! Upgraded
 
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| ''Arcade'' || ??.?? || ??.??
 
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| ''Realistic/Simulator'' || ??.?? || 50.57
 
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
 
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{{main|Rheinmetall L44 (120 mm)}}
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{{main|Type 65 (37 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="6" | Dual [[Rheinmetall L44 (120 mm)|120 mm Rheinmetall L44]]
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! colspan="3" | Capacity
 
! colspan="3" | Capacity
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! Stabilizer
 
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| colspan="3" | 390 || -5°/+85° || ±180° || N/A
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| ''Arcade'' || 52.8 || ??.?? || ??.?? || ??.?? || ??.??
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| ''Realistic'' || 35.7 || ??.?? || ??.?? || ??.?? || ??.??
 
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! colspan="5" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! Stock
 
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! Prior +<br>Ace qualif.
 
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|Left barrel<br>Right barrel || 5.00<br>7.80 || 5.00<br>__.__ || 5.00<br>__.__ || 5.00<br>__.__
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| 1.3 || ??.?? || ??.?? || ??.??
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
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| DM12 || HEATFS || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650 || 650
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| BR-167 || AP-T || 71 || 68 || 57 || 46 || 37 || 30
 
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| DM13 || APFSDS || 393 || 390 || 384 || 376 || 367 || 359
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| BR-167P || HVAP-T || 102 || 95 || 80 || 59 || 35 || 28
 
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| DM23 || APFSDS || 410 || 408 || 401 || 393 || 384 || 376
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| UO-167 || HEFI-T || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
 
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 
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| DM12 || HEATFS || 1,140 || 13.5 || N/A || 0.1 || 1640 || +0.0° || 65° || 72° || 75°
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| BR-167 || AP-T || 880 || 0.76 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
 
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| DM13 || APFSDS || 1,650 || 4.436 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 78° || 80° || 81°
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| BR-167P || HVAP-T || 960 || 0.62 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 66° || 70° || 72°
 
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| DM23 || APFSDS || 1,640 || 4.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 78° || 80° || 81°
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| UO-167 || HEFI-T || 866 || 0.735 || 0.2 || 0.1 || 34 || +0.0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The VT1-2 excels when it comes to acceleration, high speed and low profile. This provides the opportunity to move into sniping positions early in the game or even capture midpoints. The tank is easily destroyed and should be played as if it was a glass cannon, i.e. you stay behind cover/concealment and scan the area using binoculars and/or the third-person view and then only moving into firing position when the coast is clear.
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=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Engaging the enemy'''
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'''Pros:'''
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Since the left barrel reloads at a constant 5 second rate and the right barrel in around 7 seconds, you can fire 3 shots within 5 seconds (left, right, left again) in the first engagement which lets you easily correct any error in distance estimation and/or finish off immobilized tanks. Using a custom sight from live.warthunder.com (such as [https://live.warthunder.com/post/861278/en/ this sight] by ''shangxiang'') is recommended in order to be able to quickly fire the second barrel without having to switch between armaments.
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'''Things to be aware of'''
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== History ==
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Be aware of guided missiles from helicopters on open maps, though. If you see helicopters, you might need to change plans and hide. Furthermore, if you have sniped 2+ enemies, the revenge plane is a common sight and you are an easy target for them unless you change position and move into a forest or populated area.
 
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Parts > FPE > Adjustment of Fire (absolutely necessary for sniping) > Brake System (in order to be able to react and aim) > Filters | Elevation Mechanism > DM23 | Laser rangefinder
 
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The ''Type 65 Self Propelled Anti Aircraft Gun'' is a bit of an enigma, as no official documentation exists concerning its design or construction.  Even today, almost half a century after the type first became known, little is known about it - so perhaps it is best to first focus on what little is known about this unique and T-34-based SPAAG.
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* Twin 120 mm cannons are unrivalled at its rank:
 
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** HEAT-FS and APFSDS can penetrate almost any tank it encounters
 
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** Able to shoot 3 times within 5 seconds
 
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** One cannon is equipped with an autoloader
 
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* Very quick hull traverse
 
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* Due to the gun layout, the {{PAGENAME}} can position itself to fire one cannon while the other is behind cover
 
  
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During the 1972 Spring-Summer Offensive of the Vietnam War, a single example of a SPAAG was captured by the 4th Infantry Regiment of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam on August 13th 1972.  This vehicle was subsequently transferred to the United States military, who eventually shipped it to the Aberdeen Proving Ground for technical evaluation. After testing was concluded, the vehicle was put on display at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, where it stood until the early 2010s when it was transferred along with the rest of the collection to the Air Defence Artillery Museum in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
  
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* Thin, mild steel armour cannot resist anything resembling anti-tank fire
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Evaluation of this single example showed that it consisted of a T-34-85 chassis which was made at UTZ 183 (Uralsky Tankovij Zavod) in the USSR sometime between 1944 and 1947, featuring a number of modifications.  The most important one concerned the removal of the turret, with a solid reinforced steel slab being bolted onto the turret aperture on top of which a twin AA gun was mounted.  Other modifications included the removal of the hull-mounted 7.62 mm machine gun, and the removal of part of the engine top deck to allow the gun turret to freely rotate.
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* 3 crew members are grouped together in the front of the tank, poor survivability
 
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* Cannons cannot traverse horizontally, hull aiming mechanic must be used for precise fire
 
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* Very difficult to fire on the move
 
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* No machine guns for fending off aircraft, highly vulnerable to air attack
 
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* When loading ammo on a capture point, the left ammo rack is fully loaded first, then the right ammo rack.
 
  
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== History ==
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The most common designations applied to this vehicle refer to the gun used: a Chinese-built copy of the Soviet M1939 (61-K).  NORINCO of China copied this design, originally building it as the Type 55 (most likely after the year it was first constructed); later on a twin mount was designed around the same gun, which was put into production as the Type 65. As mounted on the tank, the Type 65 gun mount was surrounded by a box-like open-topped structure composed of 16-mm thick armor plates, large enough to house both the gun and a crew of five. Similar in concept to the US-built [[M42|M42 Duster]], the vehicle lacked any advanced aiming system or power-assisted gun traverse or elevation, making it less efficient in use against low-flying high-speed jets, but still deadly to slower attackers and helicopters.
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The project for an experimental turretless tank was started for development in Germany in the early 70’s as part of the replacement program for the Leopard 1. The unusual layout of the “casemate” tank type had several advantages: the possibility of installing two cannons at once, increased protection due to low silhouette and enhanced protection in the hull front profile and also increased mobility due to a reduced weight compared to traditional tanks. As part of this innovative project, two vehicles were built under the general name of Versuchsträger (German: experimental platform). The first VT1-1 prototype was placed on a shortened chassis and was equipped with two 105mm rifled cannons with manual loading.
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The lack of any official documentation, combined with the use of a Chinese-built AA gun, soon led to speculation in the US Military that this vehicle was a Chinese-built dedicated SPAAG. As such, the vehicle commonly became known as the ''Type 63 SPAAG'', this name first appearing in the 1987 publication ''A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware'' by Christopher Chant, after the assumption that the ''Type 63'' was a variant of the ''Type 65'' specifically built for use on this SPAAG.  However, more recently the vehicle has become known as the Type 65 - or Type 63/65 - after the NORINCO-built gun.
  
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On the second VT1-2, two 120 mm calibre smoothbore cannons were used - the left cannon mounted with an automatic loader mechanism. Both of these prototypes used a number of parts and assemblies from the European “long-term production” experimental KPz-70. Since both vehicles were intended exclusively for the testing and development of new battle tactics, they were made from structural non-armour steel. Tests carried out by several NATO block countries, but they all left the project one by one and in 1985, Germany itself refused further development in favour of developing the Leopard 2 which was created according to a classic tank scheme.
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With the lifting of the US embargo on North Vietnam in 1994, new information about the Vietnam War from (formerly North) Vietnamese sources finally became available, and visitors to the Vietnam People’s Air Force Museum in Hanoi noticed a photograph on display which gives an entirely different turn to the Type 65's story.  This singular photograph, ''three SPAAG's moving to the front'', shows three tank-mounted anti aircraft guns, one mounted on a T-34-85, the two others on the chassis of an Su-76. The nature of their construction seems to indicate that they - and the captured Type 65 - were in fact locally-built improvised vehicles, combining the hulls of discarted or damaged tanks with AA guns to increase the number of available anti aircraft guns for use against US forces, the Hanoi-displayed picture showing a T-34-85 hull with a 57mm S-60 AA gun rather than the Type 65 used on the captured vehicle.
  
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''- From [[wt:en/news/6400-operation-shipyard-vt1-2-doppelrohr-kasemattpanzer-en|News]]''
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As such, it can be concluded that the Type 65 was in fact an improvised locally-built SPAAG, possibly an attempt at creating a cheap alternative to the more advanced [[ZSU-57-2|Soviet ZSU-57-2]], using the hulls of T-34-85s that had been delivered to North Vietnam in 1965.
  
 
== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|o_425jH2a48|Review of the VT1-2}}
 
  
 
== See also ==
 
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* ''User Created Gunsight Options:'' https://live.warthunder.com/post/861278/en/
 
  
 
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Revision as of 12:40, 18 October 2019

Phòng không T-34
cn_type_65_aa.png
Phòng không T-34
China flag.png China
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.7 5.0 5.0
Class:
Research:46 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
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This page is about the Chinese SPAA Phòng không T-34. For gift vehicle in the Russian tree, see Type 65 (USSR). For vehicles using the T-34 chassis, see T-34 (Family).

Description

The Xe tăng phòng không 37 mm is a rank IV Chinese SPAA with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB) and 5.0 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.91 "Night Vision".

General info

Survivability and armour

Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.

Mobility

Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forward and backwards.

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: Type 65 (37 mm)
37 mm Type 65
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
390 -5°/+85° ±180° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior +
Full crew 		Prior +
Expert qualif. 		Prior +
Ace qualif.
Arcade 52.8  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??
Realistic 35.7  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior +
Full crew 		Prior +
Expert qualif. 		Prior +
Ace qualif.
1.3  ??.??  ??.??  ??.??

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 90° (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-167 AP-T 71 68 57 46 37 30
BR-167P HVAP-T 102 95 80 59 35 28
UO-167 HEFI-T 3 3 3 3 3 3
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-167 AP-T 880 0.76 N/A N/A N/A -1.0° 47° 60° 65°
BR-167P HVAP-T 960 0.62 N/A N/A N/A +1.5° 66° 70° 72°
UO-167 HEFI-T 866 0.735 0.2 0.1 34 +0.0° 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
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Optics

Phòng không T-34 Optics
Default magnification Maximum magnification
Main Gun optics X3.8 X4.0
Comparable optics  ???


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History

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The Type 65 Self Propelled Anti Aircraft Gun is a bit of an enigma, as no official documentation exists concerning its design or construction. Even today, almost half a century after the type first became known, little is known about it - so perhaps it is best to first focus on what little is known about this unique and T-34-based SPAAG.

During the 1972 Spring-Summer Offensive of the Vietnam War, a single example of a SPAAG was captured by the 4th Infantry Regiment of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam on August 13th 1972. This vehicle was subsequently transferred to the United States military, who eventually shipped it to the Aberdeen Proving Ground for technical evaluation. After testing was concluded, the vehicle was put on display at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, where it stood until the early 2010s when it was transferred along with the rest of the collection to the Air Defence Artillery Museum in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

Evaluation of this single example showed that it consisted of a T-34-85 chassis which was made at UTZ 183 (Uralsky Tankovij Zavod) in the USSR sometime between 1944 and 1947, featuring a number of modifications. The most important one concerned the removal of the turret, with a solid reinforced steel slab being bolted onto the turret aperture on top of which a twin AA gun was mounted. Other modifications included the removal of the hull-mounted 7.62 mm machine gun, and the removal of part of the engine top deck to allow the gun turret to freely rotate.

The most common designations applied to this vehicle refer to the gun used: a Chinese-built copy of the Soviet M1939 (61-K). NORINCO of China copied this design, originally building it as the Type 55 (most likely after the year it was first constructed); later on a twin mount was designed around the same gun, which was put into production as the Type 65. As mounted on the tank, the Type 65 gun mount was surrounded by a box-like open-topped structure composed of 16-mm thick armor plates, large enough to house both the gun and a crew of five. Similar in concept to the US-built M42 Duster, the vehicle lacked any advanced aiming system or power-assisted gun traverse or elevation, making it less efficient in use against low-flying high-speed jets, but still deadly to slower attackers and helicopters.

The lack of any official documentation, combined with the use of a Chinese-built AA gun, soon led to speculation in the US Military that this vehicle was a Chinese-built dedicated SPAAG. As such, the vehicle commonly became known as the Type 63 SPAAG, this name first appearing in the 1987 publication A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware by Christopher Chant, after the assumption that the Type 63 was a variant of the Type 65 specifically built for use on this SPAAG. However, more recently the vehicle has become known as the Type 65 - or Type 63/65 - after the NORINCO-built gun.

With the lifting of the US embargo on North Vietnam in 1994, new information about the Vietnam War from (formerly North) Vietnamese sources finally became available, and visitors to the Vietnam People’s Air Force Museum in Hanoi noticed a photograph on display which gives an entirely different turn to the Type 65's story. This singular photograph, three SPAAG's moving to the front, shows three tank-mounted anti aircraft guns, one mounted on a T-34-85, the two others on the chassis of an Su-76. The nature of their construction seems to indicate that they - and the captured Type 65 - were in fact locally-built improvised vehicles, combining the hulls of discarted or damaged tanks with AA guns to increase the number of available anti aircraft guns for use against US forces, the Hanoi-displayed picture showing a T-34-85 hull with a 57mm S-60 AA gun rather than the Type 65 used on the captured vehicle.

As such, it can be concluded that the Type 65 was in fact an improvised locally-built SPAAG, possibly an attempt at creating a cheap alternative to the more advanced Soviet ZSU-57-2, using the hulls of T-34-85s that had been delivered to North Vietnam in 1965.

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China anti-aircraft vehicles
Radar SPAAG  PGZ09
Gun and Missile SPAAG  PGZ04A
Other  ZSD63/PG87 · WZ305
Germany  ␗Sd.Kfz.222
North Vietnam  Phòng không T-34
USA  CCKW 353 (M45) · ␗M42
USSR  Tor-M1

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