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==ammo tables==
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{{Specs-Card|code=bf-109a_1}}
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''Anyone know where to find/calculate normalisation & ricochet stats?''
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{{About
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Yes I have all the answers you seek(PM me). Although for aircraft guns those stats are basically worthless since you're firing hundreds of rounds so even if 90% of your rounds bounce you're still dealing significant damage.--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 18:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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| about = premium German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| usage = other uses
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| link = Bf 109 (Family)
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== Firefox and {{Specs-Link|us_magach_3}} ==
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== Description ==
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<!--''In the description, the first part needs to be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert screenshot of the vehicle. If the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle it is talking about.''-->
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[[File:GarageImage_Bf109AFlegel.jpg ‎|420px|thumb|left]]
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'''{{specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{specs|rank}} German fighter {{battle-rating}} It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]]. The plane is painted after the camouflage scheme of Luftwaffe pilot Norbert Flegel in the Condor Legion of the Spanish Civil War.
  
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- What version of Firefox are you using? I am using 67.0 (64-bit) and am not having any issues.  There have been known issues in the past where Firefox does break something while Chrome and IE display it correctly. If this continues we can pass up the issue to the Wiki developers and they can look into what might be the issue (usually a minor code fix takes care of the problem). Let us know if you see it here or on any other pages again utilising the specific characters. [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 12:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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Though capable in engagements against similar BR'd aircraft, Flegel's Bf 109 A finds itself lacking in power, handling, and armament. As with later 109s, energy preservation is a must, and this aircraft should be used as a Boom and Zoom fighter against larger targets.
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:I'm also on 67.0 (64-bit). It's quite sporadic and seems to have stopped happening on the wiki, but directly searching up the symbol "U+F059" (or any of the other private-use characters) in Google breaks the results page that follows. I believe all the other nation symbols are fine since the characters that they're mapped from unicode symbols that are actively supported by Firefox. Although as I'm writing this the symbol now seems to work elsewhere as well, so I guess I'll consider the issue resolved for now until it pops up again... [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 12:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 
  
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== NR-30 (30 mm) Update ==
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This early Bf 109 is a definite collectors vehicle. With a 2 bladed wooden prop and a distinctive camouflage, this plane really only has its looks going for it. With a meagre armament of 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 guns, it finds itself struggling to bring down heavy aircraft.
  
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*Was the change from Type 30-1 (30 mm) to NR-30 (30 mm) in the last update?  Wiki stat card under Russian MiG-19 is listed as Type 30-1 (30 mm) while the German version is the NR-30 (30 mm). Should there maybe be two pages (not sure if same gun just different names or if they are two separate gun types). I hesitate to approve the redirect until this is clarified. I don't have access to the game to see if this info reflects on the ingame stat cards or if they are showing something different than the wiki stat cards. [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 14:47, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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== General info ==
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: The game still uses "Type 30-1 (30 mm)", but I added the redirect because the [[NR-30 (30 mm)]] page talks about the Type 30-1 (though very briefly), and they appear to have exactly the same characteristics and parameters (RoF, muzzle velocity, available belts and composition, etc), so I believe they are the same gun but under different names. However, this has not been officially endorsed/contradicted yet.
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=== Flight Performance ===
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::Ok, for now, I think it will be best to leave them as two separate pages (that way if someone is searching specifically for the "Type 30-1" it will come up. Easiest thing will probably be to put an "About template" at the top of the page much like the family/disambiguation pages that way it will identify that they are different pages, but similar if not identical guns (other than the name). [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 15:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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|-
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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|-
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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|-
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| 422 || 414 || 9,000 || 21.5 || 22.2 || 5.2 || 6.5 || 210
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|-
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! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
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|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
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|-
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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|-
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| 462 || 444 || 9,000 || 18.6 || 20.0 || 14.9 || 9.3 || 210
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|-
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|}
  
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== nvd list ==
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====Details====
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | Features
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|-
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! Combat flap
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! Take-off flap
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! Landing flap
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! Air brakes
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! Arrestor gear
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|-
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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|-
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|}
  
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I've seen the list of NVD you applied to that night vision page, is it 100% accurate? Planning to go and check all the ammunition lists due to APHE change (as well as others), might as well add optic tables everywhere, but going to apply the expanded table where it is applicable, for the base information filling was going to use the list. Although, if you somehow also have resolution numbers somewhere that'd be amazing to use. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 13:41, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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: I believe the list is correct, but there may be a couple of inaccuracies and I am currently unable to check any of the vehicles. I will endeavour to correct any mistakes as soon as I find them though. As for resolution numbers, [[User:U13682523]] might be able to help you with that, otherwise I'll see what I can do in the next week or so. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 15:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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|-
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! colspan="5" | Limits
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="2" | Max Static G
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|-
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! +
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! -
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|-
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| ??? || ??? || ??? || ~?? || ~?
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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|-
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
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|-
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| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|-
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<!--! colspan="3" | Setting 2
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Setting 3
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|-
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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|-
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|- -->
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|}
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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* No armour plating
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* No armour glazing
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* Critical components located at front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
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* More fuel tanks located in wings near fuselage
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== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
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<!--''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.''-->
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{{main|MG 17 (7.92 mm)}}
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The Flegel's Bf 109 A is armed with:
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* 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
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The two machine guns are arranged with both mounted in the upper fuselage, just in front of the cockpit. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty.
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=== Defensive armament ===
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''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available remove this subsection.''
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== Usage in the battles ==
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As with the other 109s, Flegel's aircraft should be used as a high-energy fighter. Long turning engagements will almost always result in a loss, especially against Japanese and Russian monoplanes and all biplanes. Side climb for the first bit of the match until you attain at least 2000 meters of altitude, and build airspeed before engaging targets.
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Enemy biplanes will outperform you in turning engagements, and many outgun you. Japanese and Russian monoplanes will also outperform you at low speed, making them dangerous targets to engage.
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Keep your speed high and altitude higher. Energy is your friend in this aircraft, as the less than heavy armament will often require you to make more than one pass, especially against bombers.
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===Manual Engine Control===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
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|-
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! rowspan="2" |Mixer
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! rowspan="2" |Pitch
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! colspan="3" |Radiator
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! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
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|-
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! Oil
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! Water
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! Type
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|-
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| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not ontrollable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
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|-
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|}
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===Modules===
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Tier
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! Flight performance
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! Survivability
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! Weaponry
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|-
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| I
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| Fuselage Repair, Radiator
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|
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| Offensive 7 mm
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|-
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| II
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| Compressor
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| Airframe
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|
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|-
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| III
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| Wing Repair, Engine
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|
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| New 7 mm MGs
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|-
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| IV
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| Engine Injection
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| Cover
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|
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|-
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|}
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=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
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* Good energy retention
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* Performance at altitude remains decent compared to its contemporaries
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'''Cons:'''
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* Two bladed wooden prop limits acceleration
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* Offensive armament is underwhelming, especially against heavily defended targets
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== History ==
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The bf 109 a had a great participation during the Spanish Civil War (SCW) and was under the command of the "Legion Condor", the plane was more advanced for the time since it had characteristics that made it very special that differentiated it from the enemy aircraft, these characteristics were: totally metallic monocoque construction, closed cockpit and retractable landing gear. Despite being a good plane he was opcacado because of the plane of the Republican side Polikarpov I-16. During the Spanish civil war, several variants were created, each with different engines or models, after showing the good role played by the BF 109 (Bayerische Flugzeugwerke) the German air ministry decided to keep the plane, develop variants and use them until the last Days of war for Germany.
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== Media ==
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''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
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== Read also ==
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
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* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
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* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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<!--''ETC.''-->
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===Obtainable events===
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* Flegel's Bf 109A was available to be earned during the [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4994-special-german-unity-day-en German Unity Day] in October 2017. If already unlocked, the player could also receive [[Pz.II С (DAK)|Panzer II DAK]], and 250 GE if a player also has that tank as well.
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== Sources ==
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''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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* ''page on aircraft encyclopedia;''
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* ''other literature.''
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{{Germany fighters}}

Revision as of 15:35, 18 October 2019

Flegel's Bf 109 A
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Flegel's Bf 109 A
Germany flag.png Germany
I Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
1.3 1.3 1.3
Class:
PREMIUM
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This page is about the premium German fighter Flegel's Bf 109 A. For other uses, see Bf 109 (Family).

Description

GarageImage Flegel's Bf 109 A.jpg


Flegel's Bf 109 A is a premium rank I German fighter with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB/RB/SB) It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica". The plane is painted after the camouflage scheme of Luftwaffe pilot Norbert Flegel in the Condor Legion of the Spanish Civil War.

Though capable in engagements against similar BR'd aircraft, Flegel's Bf 109 A finds itself lacking in power, handling, and armament. As with later 109s, energy preservation is a must, and this aircraft should be used as a Boom and Zoom fighter against larger targets.

This early Bf 109 is a definite collectors vehicle. With a 2 bladed wooden prop and a distinctive camouflage, this plane really only has its looks going for it. With a meagre armament of 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 guns, it finds itself struggling to bring down heavy aircraft.

General info

Flight Performance

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 4,000 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
422 414 9,000 21.5 22.2 5.2 6.5 210
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 4,000 m) 		Max altitude (meters) Turn time (seconds) Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run (meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
462 444 9,000 18.6 20.0 14.9 9.3 210

Details

Features
Combat flap Take-off flap Landing flap Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h) 		Gear limit
(km/h) 		Combat flap
(km/h) 		Max Static G
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 ???  ???  ??? ~?? ~?
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h) 		Rudder
(km/h) 		Elevators
(km/h) 		Radiator
(km/h)
< ??? < ??? < ??? > ???
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
 ?,??? m  ??? hp  ?,??? hp

Survivability and armour

  • No armour plating
  • No armour glazing
  • Critical components located at front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
  • More fuel tanks located in wings near fuselage

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: MG 17 (7.92 mm)

The Flegel's Bf 109 A is armed with:

  • 2 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

The two machine guns are arranged with both mounted in the upper fuselage, just in front of the cockpit. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty.

Usage in the battles

As with the other 109s, Flegel's aircraft should be used as a high-energy fighter. Long turning engagements will almost always result in a loss, especially against Japanese and Russian monoplanes and all biplanes. Side climb for the first bit of the match until you attain at least 2000 meters of altitude, and build airspeed before engaging targets.

Enemy biplanes will outperform you in turning engagements, and many outgun you. Japanese and Russian monoplanes will also outperform you at low speed, making them dangerous targets to engage.

Keep your speed high and altitude higher. Energy is your friend in this aircraft, as the less than heavy armament will often require you to make more than one pass, especially against bombers.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Not controllable Not controllable Not controllable Separate Not ontrollable Not controllable

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage Repair, Radiator Offensive 7 mm
II Compressor Airframe
III Wing Repair, Engine New 7 mm MGs
IV Engine Injection Cover

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good energy retention
  • Performance at altitude remains decent compared to its contemporaries

Cons:

  • Two bladed wooden prop limits acceleration
  • Offensive armament is underwhelming, especially against heavily defended targets

History

The bf 109 a had a great participation during the Spanish Civil War (SCW) and was under the command of the "Legion Condor", the plane was more advanced for the time since it had characteristics that made it very special that differentiated it from the enemy aircraft, these characteristics were: totally metallic monocoque construction, closed cockpit and retractable landing gear. Despite being a good plane he was opcacado because of the plane of the Republican side Polikarpov I-16. During the Spanish civil war, several variants were created, each with different engines or models, after showing the good role played by the BF 109 (Bayerische Flugzeugwerke) the German air ministry decided to keep the plane, develop variants and use them until the last Days of war for Germany.

Media

An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

Read also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

Obtainable events

  • Flegel's Bf 109A was available to be earned during the German Unity Day in October 2017. If already unlocked, the player could also receive Panzer II DAK, and 250 GE if a player also has that tank as well.

Sources

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • page on aircraft encyclopedia;
  • other literature.


Germany fighters
Heinkel 
He 51  He 51 A-1 · He 51 B-1 · He 51 B-2/H · He 51 C-1 · He 51 C-1/L
He 100  He 100 D-1
He 112  He 112 A-0 · He 112 B-0 · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5
Messerschmitt 
Bf 109 (Jumo)  Flegel's Bf 109 A · Bf 109 B-1 · Bf 109 C-1
Bf 109 (DB-601)  Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · Bf 109 E-7/U2 · Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop
Bf 109 (DB-605)  Bf 109 G-2/trop · Bf 109 G-2 · Bf 109 G-6 · Bf 109 G-10 · Bf 109 G-14 · Bf 109 K-4
Focke-Wulf 
Fw 190 (early)  Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U2 · Fw 190 A-5/U14 · Fw 190 A-8 · Fw 190 C
Fw 190 (late)  Fw 190 D-9 · Fw 190 D-12 · Fw 190 D-13
Ta 152  Ta 152 C-3 · Ta 152 H-1
Blohm & Voss 
BV 155  BV 155 B-1
  Foreign:
USA  ▀P-47D-16-RE · ▀P-47D
USSR  ▀La-5FN · ▀Yak-1B
Britain  ▀Tempest Mk V
Italy  ▀CR.42 · ▀Marcolin's C.R.42 CN · ▀G.50 serie 2 · ▀G.50 AS serie 7 · ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7 · ▀C. 202
Finland  ▀Hawk H-75A-2

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