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A Gnevny-class destroyer, the Besposhchadny was ordered under the Second Five-Year Plan and designed with assistance from Italian shipbuilders as a smaller and more affordable alternative to the contemporary Leningrad- class destroyer leaders of the Soviet navy. The Project 7 Gnevny-class design was based off of the Italian Folgore-class destroyers, and inherited the stability issues of the Italian design as well.
  
 
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The Besposhchadny has very little armor, as is typical for destroyers; the only armored areas of the ship are the 13 mm and 8 mm gun shields of the 130 mm and 76 mm guns, respectively. HE shells will have no difficulty destroying the guns and anti-aircraft cannons scattered about the deck of the Besposhchadny.
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The crew count of the ship, at 271, is above average for her low displacement (2400 tons) but is otherwise unimpressive when compared with other destroyers. For a comparison, the USS Aylwin at a displacement of 2307 tons has a crew of 160 and the HMS Eskimo at a displacement of 2519 tons has a crew of 260.  
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While there are fuel tanks lining the bottom of her hull, those fuel tanks are below the waterline and thus will not protect against the vast majority of enemy fire. In addition to this, the majority of the Besposhchadny's internal components including her engine, funnels, and transmissions, are above the waterline and are thus exposed to penetrating shells. More significantly, both the shell rooms and magazines of the main armament extend above the waterline and thus are dangerously vulnerable to enemy fire and detonation. This is most conspicuous at the aft of the ship, where ammunition storage is over half above the waterline.
  
 
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The primary armament of the Besposhchadny comes in the form of four single-mount 130 mm B-13 guns, an armament quite similar to most Soviet destroyers built before the conclusion of the Second World War. These guns are an upgrade over the 102 mm Pattern 1911 guns of the Frunze and Fidonisy-class Kerch, although it is worth keeping in mind that not every statistic of the 130 mm guns is superior to that of the 102 mms.
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The main advantage of the 130 mm B-13 guns over similar weapons is their ammunition. While the caliber of the guns is slightly larger than 127 mm, the most common caliber of destroyer main armaments, the explosive filler and thus damage of the 130 mm B-13 far exceeds contemporary rounds. The B-13 has access to three types of shells: OF-46 HE, PB-46A SAPBC, and ZS-46R HE-VT. The HE carries an explosive charge of 3.58 kg of TNT, and is more than competent at disabling external and unarmored components of other destroyers as well as dealing massive structural damage to coastal vessels. The shell compares favorably to the HE found on the vaunted American 5"/38 gun, which has an explosive equivalency of 3.22 kg of TNT in a 127 mm caliber shell, but is not massively better. The more distinctly powerful shell is the SAPBC of the B-13, which has an explosive charge of 2.35 kg of TNT. This is more than twice the explosive filler of the analogous and very competent 5" Common Mk.32 shell of the 5"/38. The explosive filler of the SAP shells allows the Besposhchadny to deal massive damage to internal components and crew compartments with each salvo. On top of that, the 130 mm PB-46A has a greater penetration than the SP Common shell of the 5"/38 gun, which enables the combating of even cruisers and their additional armor. To round the shell choices off, the HE-VT shell provides a semblance of air defense capability through the B-13, although this role isn't very well filled by the Besposhchadny.
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The primary disadvantage of the B-13 guns on the Besposhchadny is their handling. The single gun mounts have a modest elevation limit with a maximum elevation of 45° and depression of 5° but are severely limited in rotation speed. In both horizontal and vertical targeting speeds, the mount rotates at less than 5°/s. This limits the ability of the Besposhchadny to react in combat, and nearly rules out the possibility of aiming at aerial targets. Another disadvantage of the B-13 guns on the Besposhchadny is their relatively slow rate of fire. 10 rounds per minute does not allow for rapid retargeting of components or vessels, and hampers the damage per minute of the Besposhchadny. While this lengthy reload may be somewhat mitigated by the power of the individual shells, it still is a tactical disadvantage that must be taken into account when utilizing the Besposhchadny.
  
 
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{{main|34-K (76 mm)}}There are two 76 mm 39-K guns in single mounts on the Besposhchadny on a pedestal between the torpedo launchers of the ship. Although there are some angles that allow the two 76 mm guns to fire at a single target, most typically only one gun will be able to fire at a target. Similarly to the main armament, the 76 mm guns have poor rotation speeds, although the maximum elevation is increased to 85°. Their performance is mediocre against surface targets due to low number of guns as well as the small caliber, which inhibits the damage potential of the shells fired. That being said, the 39-K guns do have a good rate of fire at 27 rounds per minute.
  
 
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Revision as of 07:18, 31 December 2022

Rank VI USA | Premium | Golden Eagles
A-10A Thunderbolt (Early)
Besposhchadny
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Besposhchadny
AB RB SB
4.0 4.0 4.0
Class:
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Description

The Pr.7, Besposhchadny, 1943 is a rank I Soviet destroyer with a battle rating of 4.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Fire and Ice".

A Gnevny-class destroyer, the Besposhchadny was ordered under the Second Five-Year Plan and designed with assistance from Italian shipbuilders as a smaller and more affordable alternative to the contemporary Leningrad- class destroyer leaders of the Soviet navy. The Project 7 Gnevny-class design was based off of the Italian Folgore-class destroyers, and inherited the stability issues of the Italian design as well.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower13 / 13 / 0 mm
Hull16 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section7
Displacement2 400 t
Crew271 people

The Besposhchadny has very little armor, as is typical for destroyers; the only armored areas of the ship are the 13 mm and 8 mm gun shields of the 130 mm and 76 mm guns, respectively. HE shells will have no difficulty destroying the guns and anti-aircraft cannons scattered about the deck of the Besposhchadny.

The crew count of the ship, at 271, is above average for her low displacement (2400 tons) but is otherwise unimpressive when compared with other destroyers. For a comparison, the USS Aylwin at a displacement of 2307 tons has a crew of 160 and the HMS Eskimo at a displacement of 2519 tons has a crew of 260.

While there are fuel tanks lining the bottom of her hull, those fuel tanks are below the waterline and thus will not protect against the vast majority of enemy fire. In addition to this, the majority of the Besposhchadny's internal components including her engine, funnels, and transmissions, are above the waterline and are thus exposed to penetrating shells. More significantly, both the shell rooms and magazines of the main armament extend above the waterline and thus are dangerously vulnerable to enemy fire and detonation. This is most conspicuous at the aft of the ship, where ammunition storage is over half above the waterline.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB84 / 40 km/h
RB69 / 32 km/h

Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 84 40
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 69 32

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB426 → 553 Sl icon.png
RB669 → 869 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications4 450 Rp icon.png
2 690 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost300 Ge icon.png
Crew training600 Sl icon.png
Experts2 100 Sl icon.png
Aces45 Ge icon.png
Research Aces110 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
50 / 90 / 100 % Sl icon.png
100 / 100 / 100 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
Research:
180 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship rudder.png
Rudder Replacement
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
120 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship screw.png
Propeller Replacement
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship engine.png
Engine Maintenance
Research:
360 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship damage control crew.png
Damage Control Division
Research:
180 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods ship fire control crew.png
Fire Division
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
120 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods engine smoke screen system.png
Smokescreen
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
120 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods ship anti fragmentation protection.png
Shrapnel Protection
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods ship venting.png
Ventilation
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship pumps.png
New Pumps
Research:
360 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship ammo wetting.png
Ammo Wetting
Research:
360 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
130mm_ussr_SAP_ammo_pack
Research:
180 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
76mm_ussr_34k_distant_fuse_navy_HE_ammo_pack
Research:
180 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new aa caliber turrets.png
Anti-Air Armament Targeting
Research:
180 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
76mm_ussr_34k_navy_AP_ammo_pack
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
120 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods new aux caliber turrets.png
Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
120 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods he frag proxi fuze ship.png
130mm_ussr_aa_radiofuse_ammo_pack
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods ship rangefinder.png
Improved Rangefinder
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new main caliber turrets.png
Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
185 Rp icon.png
Cost:
110 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
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Torpedo Mode
Research:
360 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

4 х Turret130 mm/50 B-13 cannon
Ammunition150 rounds
Vertical guidance-5° / 45°
Main article: B-13 (130 mm)

The primary armament of the Besposhchadny comes in the form of four single-mount 130 mm B-13 guns, an armament quite similar to most Soviet destroyers built before the conclusion of the Second World War. These guns are an upgrade over the 102 mm Pattern 1911 guns of the Frunze and Fidonisy-class Kerch, although it is worth keeping in mind that not every statistic of the 130 mm guns is superior to that of the 102 mms.

The main advantage of the 130 mm B-13 guns over similar weapons is their ammunition. While the caliber of the guns is slightly larger than 127 mm, the most common caliber of destroyer main armaments, the explosive filler and thus damage of the 130 mm B-13 far exceeds contemporary rounds. The B-13 has access to three types of shells: OF-46 HE, PB-46A SAPBC, and ZS-46R HE-VT. The HE carries an explosive charge of 3.58 kg of TNT, and is more than competent at disabling external and unarmored components of other destroyers as well as dealing massive structural damage to coastal vessels. The shell compares favorably to the HE found on the vaunted American 5"/38 gun, which has an explosive equivalency of 3.22 kg of TNT in a 127 mm caliber shell, but is not massively better. The more distinctly powerful shell is the SAPBC of the B-13, which has an explosive charge of 2.35 kg of TNT. This is more than twice the explosive filler of the analogous and very competent 5" Common Mk.32 shell of the 5"/38. The explosive filler of the SAP shells allows the Besposhchadny to deal massive damage to internal components and crew compartments with each salvo. On top of that, the 130 mm PB-46A has a greater penetration than the SP Common shell of the 5"/38 gun, which enables the combating of even cruisers and their additional armor. To round the shell choices off, the HE-VT shell provides a semblance of air defense capability through the B-13, although this role isn't very well filled by the Besposhchadny.

The primary disadvantage of the B-13 guns on the Besposhchadny is their handling. The single gun mounts have a modest elevation limit with a maximum elevation of 45° and depression of 5° but are severely limited in rotation speed. In both horizontal and vertical targeting speeds, the mount rotates at less than 5°/s. This limits the ability of the Besposhchadny to react in combat, and nearly rules out the possibility of aiming at aerial targets. Another disadvantage of the B-13 guns on the Besposhchadny is their relatively slow rate of fire. 10 rounds per minute does not allow for rapid retargeting of components or vessels, and hampers the damage per minute of the Besposhchadny. While this lengthy reload may be somewhat mitigated by the power of the individual shells, it still is a tactical disadvantage that must be taken into account when utilizing the Besposhchadny.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
130 mm OF-46 HE HE 36 36 36 36 36 36
130 mm PB-46A SAPBC SAPCBC 181 156 122 96 77 56
130 mm ZS-46R HE-VT HE-VT 26 26 26 26 26 26
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
130 mm OF-46 HE HE 870 33.4 0 0.1 3.58 79° 80° 81°
130 mm PB-46A SAPBC SAPCBC 870 33.5 0.01 6 2.35 48° 63° 71°
Proximity-fused shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Arming distance
(m)
Trigger radius
(m)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
130 mm ZS-46R HE-VT HE-VT 870 33.8 0 0.1 240 16 2.06 79° 80° 81°

Secondary armament

2 х Turret76 mm/55 34-K cannon
Ammunition300 rounds
Main article: 34-K (76 mm)
There are two 76 mm 39-K guns in single mounts on the Besposhchadny on a pedestal between the torpedo launchers of the ship. Although there are some angles that allow the two 76 mm guns to fire at a single target, most typically only one gun will be able to fire at a target. Similarly to the main armament, the 76 mm guns have poor rotation speeds, although the maximum elevation is increased to 85°. Their performance is mediocre against surface targets due to low number of guns as well as the small caliber, which inhibits the damage potential of the shells fired. That being said, the 39-K guns do have a good rate of fire at 27 rounds per minute.
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
100 m 1,000 m 2,000 m 3,000 m 4,000 m 5,000 m
76 mm O-361K HE 8 8 8 8 8 8
76 mm O-361D HE-TF 5 5 5 5 5 5
76 mm BR-361 APHEBC 121 100 81 65 53 43
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
76 mm O-361K HE 845 6.95 0 0.1 483 79° 80° 81°
76 mm O-361D HE-TF 810 6.61 0 0.1 182 79° 80° 81°
76 mm BR-361 APHEBC 816 6.5 1.6 4 119 48° 63° 71°

Anti-aircraft armament

5 х Turret37 mm/67 70-K automatic cannon
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity5 rounds
Fire rate180 shots/min
2 х Turret12.7 mm DShK machine gun
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity50 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min
2 х Turret2 x 12.7 mm Browning AN-M2 machine gun
Ammunition4000 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Fire rate577 shots/min

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Additional armament

Setup 16 x 533 mm 53-38 torpedo
Main article: 53-38 (533 mm)

Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

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History

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Media

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See also

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USSR destroyers
  Imperial Russia
Derzky-class  Frunze
Fidonisy-class  Kerch
  Soviet Union
Pr. 1  Leningrad · Moskva
Pr. 45  Opytny
Pr. 7  Besposhchadny · Ryany
Pr. 7U  Soobrazitelny · Stroyny
Pr. 20  Tashkent
Pr. 30  Ognevoy
Pr. 30-bis  Smelyi · Bezuprechny
Pr. 41  Neustrashimy
Pr. 56  Spokoinyy · Blagorodnyy · Bravy
Trophies  Romania
Regele Ferdinand-class  Letuchiy